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The Queen and dedication to duty in the 21st Century

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Alegrias1 Tue 20-Apr-21 13:19:02

Does dedication to duty overwhelm any other consideration when it comes to being Head of State?

Why can a person stay in post, with all the deference that entails, when someone else is doing all the "work"?

Is anyone else worried that a 95 year old lady believes she has to keep on keeping on when many, many other monarchs have moved on in life and their countries haven't crumbled?

jacqrose Fri 23-Apr-21 14:05:53

maddyone he also said empty vessels make the most noise and I guess that applies to all of us here sometimes smile A good note to leave it on.

maddyone Fri 23-Apr-21 13:41:36

jacqrose

maddyone Surely you are not saying that we shouldn't give people a choice because some of them wouldn't be happy with the result?

No, I’m absolutely and categorically not saying that. I’m saying that some people will be unhappy and dissatisfied whatever the status quo or whatever the result. It’s the nature of people, you can’t please all of the people all of the time, as pointed out by John Lydgate.

Alegrias1 Fri 23-Apr-21 12:34:37

Chestnut

You may accept democracy jacqrose but as we know a lot of people will never accept anything other than the result they want. Welcome to 21st century democracy.

Really, is that what you think? Holy smoke.

I guess that's an offhand swipe at Brexit. You know, that one-off irreversible change to our constitution that was only voted for by a quarter of the population?

This is what democracy means to those who have really never had it.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-56829089

jacqrose Fri 23-Apr-21 12:30:38

maddyone Surely you are not saying that we shouldn't give people a choice because some of them wouldn't be happy with the result?

Chestnut Fri 23-Apr-21 12:30:38

You may accept democracy jacqrose but as we know a lot of people will never accept anything other than the result they want. Welcome to 21st century democracy.

Alegrias1 Fri 23-Apr-21 12:24:42

False dichotomies? Anyone? grin

maddyone Fri 23-Apr-21 12:20:02

jacqrose

Chestnut when I vote in a general election the Tory in my area always wins. I may not be happy about it but I accept it. It's just tough if you don't get the person you prefer elected but at least we get to register our preference. Surely you can't be against democracy

I’m certainly not against democracy, but it’s limitations should be acknowledged. It would be foolish to imagine that if we voted for a president rather than have the monarchy, then everyone would be happy.

maddyone Fri 23-Apr-21 12:17:56

Many people complain about Boris Johnson, Donald Trump, the Brexit result, and a large number of different members of the Cabinet. That’s what democracy gave us. I’m not complaining about any of them, or agreeing with any of them, just pointing out that with democracy there will still be people who complain and dislike the result.

jacqrose Fri 23-Apr-21 11:50:34

Chestnut when I vote in a general election the Tory in my area always wins. I may not be happy about it but I accept it. It's just tough if you don't get the person you prefer elected but at least we get to register our preference. Surely you can't be against democracy

Chestnut Fri 23-Apr-21 11:31:28

jacqrose

"the ignorant serfs" vote for their MPs and if they don't like how they are represented they don't vote for them again. Democracy I think they call it smile

But if the serfs are too ignorant to choose wisely then people like that Smith person in the video will still not be happy because the people will have chosen wrongly (according to them). People like that will never be happy.

jacqrose Fri 23-Apr-21 11:17:12

"the ignorant serfs" vote for their MPs and if they don't like how they are represented they don't vote for them again. Democracy I think they call it smile

Callistemon Fri 23-Apr-21 11:06:28

Those who don't agree with the result whinge and moan for the next three years about how ignorant people are and how they have made the wrong decision! So how can you ever trust the ignorant serfs to choose their head of state?

😂😂😂

Alegrias1 Fri 23-Apr-21 11:05:37

So how can you ever trust the ignorant serfs to choose their head of state?

Oh, that democracy, its not all its cracked up to be, is it? Benevolent despots, that's what we need.

Alegrias1 Fri 23-Apr-21 11:03:46

Nor me. It was a plea, not an instruction. 🤣

False dichotomies? Anyone?

Chestnut Fri 23-Apr-21 11:03:15

jacqrose It is also unfair and undemocratic in the 21st century that the people do not get to choose their head of state.
But we all know what happens when the people get to vote on anything. Those who don't agree with the result whinge and moan for the next three years about how ignorant people are and how they have made the wrong decision! So how can you ever trust the ignorant serfs to choose their head of state?

Callistemon Fri 23-Apr-21 11:01:45

Can we just not talk about how wicked H&M are, just for one day? sad

It's not up to me to decide what posters talk about.
I have never said they are wicked, I understood why they did what they did but not why they felt the need for the Oprah interview.

Alegrias1 Fri 23-Apr-21 10:48:40

Can we just not talk about how wicked H&M are, just for one day? sad

Abdicating monarchs, what about that?

I thought false dichotomies would be interesting....

Callistemon Fri 23-Apr-21 10:45:44

maddyone

I know we’ve done this topic to death, but in my opinion, Meghan and Harry did not
leave with a sense of grace and dignity. If any royal did leave graciously and in a dignified manner, I too think think most people would understand.

I didn't say it out loud but I think it would have been perfectly understandable if they had done just that.
But no, they didn't.

Alegrias1 Fri 23-Apr-21 10:42:12

The concept of the false dichotomy; that there are only 2 options and we better stick with what we have because the alternative is even worse. Or "most" people are happy with what's there so let's not rock any boats

Why is it not possible to have a discussion of a good presidency or a modified monarchy?

maddyone Fri 23-Apr-21 10:39:25

I know we’ve done this topic to death, but in my opinion, Meghan and Harry did not
leave with a sense of grace and dignity. If any royal did leave graciously and in a dignified manner, I too think think most people would understand.

lemongrove Fri 23-Apr-21 10:18:29

Anniebach

Is there a video of corrupt presidents ?

Haha 🤣

jacqrose Fri 23-Apr-21 10:14:57

Chestnut you make it sound like a religious calling, which I find strange. For anyone a life long dedication to service and duty is unfair to them, although it is a very gilded cage for the RF. H&M touched on him being trapped I recall. It is also unfair and undemocratic in the 21st century that the people do not get to choose their head of state.

Well, most of them do, there are always exceptions and leaving with a sense of grace and dignity would be understood by most people, I think.
Callistemon I agree.

Anniebach Fri 23-Apr-21 10:14:45

Such faith maddyone. rather like having faith that the tooth fairy will leave the money under the pillow

maddyone Fri 23-Apr-21 10:11:04

If we had a president he she would not allow corruption in government

Really! I wish I had such faith. At least this sentence made me laugh this morning.

Anniebach Fri 23-Apr-21 10:04:03

Is there a video of corrupt presidents ?