The Queen and dedication to duty in the 21st Century

Then don’t live your life that way Galaxy

Well said Jabberwok No one here can claim to know her thoughts. And she has a deep faith with that comes belief in the
teachings of Christ.

No thinking no questioning, just accept, that's just not a way I want to live my life. Every idea and structure and tradition is open to questioning and comment, saying end of and that's the way things are isnt really a convincing debate.

The Queen does not believe in this outdated nonsense Have you asked her? I apparently don't know what she believes but you do? Which bits of the coronation does she still believe in then? What a farce.

What a lovely bunch of people you are.

"your view doesn't count."

"End of"

"European Royals, whoever they are"

"This is how we do things in this country"

"people like you will get what you deserve"

annointed!

Oh don't be ridiculous, how on earth do you know what the Queen believes or thinks. The last exponent of the divine right of kings was James 11nd, but the doctrine virtually disappeared from English politics after the Glorious Revolution (1688-89) and declined steadily until by the early 20th century it had disappeared . The Queen does not believe in this outdated nonsense which loosely meant the monarch could do and rule as they pleased overriding parliament as they were Gods announced.

Annointed and the divine right of kings; here are the actual words spoken by the Archbishop at the Act of Consecration at the Coronation in 1953:

"Be thy head anointed with holy oil: as kings, priests, and prophets were anointed. And as Solomon was anointed king by Zadok the priest and Nathan the prophet, so be you anointed, blessed and consecrated Queen over the Peoples, whom the Lord thy God hath given thee to rule and govern."

Of course she considers herself anointed and believes in the divine rights of kings.

Sorry, posted too soon.

Anointed and the divine right of kings; here are the actual words spoken by teh Archbishop at the Act of Consecration at the Coronation in 1953:

SueDonim

What do people think the gains and/or losses of the Queen retiring would be?

I don’t think there would be any gains.

As for losses, as a nation we would be diminished.

Some quote other European royal families, how normal and just like anyone else they are. I bet without looking any of them up on Google, the vast majority of us would fail to recognise or name any of them.

The Queen is recognised, respected, admired on a global stage. That is due to her longevity, and her unique position as our longest reigning monarch and Head of State.

Like Edward V11 after Victoria, Charles’ reign will be much shorter, but it is what it is.

What do people think the gains and/or losses of the Queen retiring would be?

Agree Chestnut , those views by those two republicans only
makes one wonder who they would want for president

When has the Queen said she is God’s anointed?

Whitewavemark2

suziewoozie

I think it’s incredibly arrogant and self obsessed to think you have to carry on regardless. It’s almost as if she believes in the ‘divine right of kings’.

I think to a degree she does believe that. She certainly believes she is God’s anointed.

Two shocking remarks which have left me shaking my head with disbelief. If you can say that about the Queen, who has served the country for 70 years, then you obviously hate the monarchy and all it stands for. One day people like you may get whatever it is you wish for, and this country will be a much worse place for it.

Pantglas2

Using the pension age argument rules Charles out surely, Lucca?

Strictly yes but what I meant was that the queen is definitely way way behind that !!

But I’d just like to say I’m discussing this without any particular agenda...makes no odds to me really what the royal family does! They are just there, a fact of life, I don’t have any feeling for them or against them.

Using the pension age argument rules Charles out surely, Lucca?

Jabberwok

Sorry, only one voluntary abdication you can't count being ousted out or murdered. I can't see the Queen being forced to resign or murdered. The Queen of Scots was as foreign a Queen as was any other monarch at that time so can hardly count! Anyway the Queen will not abdicate regardless of the example set by European royals , whoever they are,and we don't want her to unless it's her choice.

“We don’t want her to “. You know I think I might, as I could be vaguely interested to see Charles have a go .?

JenniferEccles

Is there anyone who would do a better job than the Queen despite her 95 years? Anyone with a stronger sense of commitment and duty come what may?
I don’t think so.

That’s no reason not to give some a go.,

Somebody mentioned “pension age”. She’s way beyond that !

Sorry, only one voluntary abdication you can't count being ousted out or murdered. I can't see the Queen being forced to resign or murdered. The Queen of Scots was as foreign a Queen as was any other monarch at that time so can hardly count! Anyway the Queen will not abdicate regardless of the example set by European royals , whoever they are,and we don't want her to unless it's her choice.

It’s ridiculous and I've no idea why she can’t let the reigns go asluccasaid Prince Charles is an intelligent human and deserves to at least have a few years in the job.
I agree. I also think that service isn't about longevity, it's about what is achieved during that period. The Queen has gone above and beyond over many years.
Would anyone think any the less of her if she chose to retire? I doubt it.
Charles's reign may be short in comparison but could also be massively important if he slims down 'the firm' and implements some important changes to its function.

I agree Anniebach

Anniebach

She is not going to abdicate, that’s it.

Exactly Anniebach

End of.

Galaxy

Well only if you believe duty is the be all and end all. Which I dont. I would have run screaming from that life as well and I am not American. It's probably indicative of common sense.

Well, you’re not Queen, so your idea of duty doesn’t count.

I hope she continues for as long as she wants to, I’m sure no one could criticise her for retiring, but I don’t think she will.
I think the Dukes funeral brought it home to me, how elderly and frail she is, but if she wants to continue, I’m sure she’ll have lots of support.

In February 1689, parliament declared that James's flight constituted an abdication and William and Mary were crowned joint monarchs. www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/james_ii.shtml#:~:text=This%2C%20together%20with%20James's%20attempts,prorogued%20it%20and%20ruled%20alone.&text=In%20February%201689%2C%20parliament%20declared,Mary%20were%20crowned%20joint%20monarchs.

....captured Richard II. The king abdicated and was imprisoned in Pontefract Castle.

www.duchyoflancaster.co.uk/about-the-duchy/history/duke-and-monarch/

As for Mary - well, you didn't specify English monarchs since 1066....

Right, back to the matter in hand.