Mr Johnson and Mr Cummings

So far it is all alleged and he said/she said from a sacked SPAD and a couple of disgruntled MPs when the actual FACTS come out, I and many others will be in a position to make up our own minds.

Sorry Urmstongran but your protestations have an element of squirming about them

I thought nobody cared Urmstongran. It appears you care about people criticising Johnson.

I don't suppose the people in Salford's Media City will be too happy if the BBC is defunded.

It isn’t the BBC who decides who is going to run the country. It’s Murdoch.

Do you get your posts straight from the Daily Telegraph, Ug or do you edit them a bit?

Sir Kneeling Starmer

And you have the utter gall to accuse me of being unpleasant...

My goodness, some of you on here attack like piranhas!!

I think I prefer to ‘chat’. These threads are not for the faint hearted!
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Firstly. I do care. I said so upthread, ages ago.
Second. I still think though that most of the population aren’t that fussed by these ‘smear’ allegations.
Third. I think when I said ‘most of us know’ I meant that the timing of these smears is suspect. An election coming up soon? Anybody know?

The BBC, Kuenessberg and co do not decide who governs this Country - they are not in a position to threaten the Prime Minister.

The British public elect our Government and we have stopped listening/believing the smears, outright lies and constant attacks on Boris!

These people want Sir Kneeling Starmer running the UK the way the socialist London Metropolitan elite want it run... to hell with the Regions - only London matters.

Time they understood why the Red Wall deserted them and gave Boris his 80 seat majority. We are not listening to you and the sooner the BBC is defunded the better, paying for socialist anti UK propaganda day in day out!

Whitewavemark2

So according to the BBC,

Johnson did say “let the bodies pile high”

Anyone care to defend that remark?

Hard to defend WWMk2 but probably someone will be along in a minute to remind us of a bon mot of Harold Wilson.

So according to the BBC,

Johnson did say “let the bodies pile high”

Anyone care to defend that remark?

I think that's true as well MayBee.

Yes Pippa I think that's a fair analysis.

MaizieD

^I'm not trying to second guess. I'm trying to make sense of muddled contradictions.^

I'm just so agog to find out what the ordinary, switched off, voter 'knows' is 'going on'.

I've seen lots of suggestions on twitter, but they are from the people, apparently a minority, who do care...

Smoke and mirrors come to mind.

Both of them are in it purely for themselves aren’t they. Why the electorate can’t see that is beyond me. Cummings is cleverer that Johnson, though. Many people have thought that Johnson’s bumbling facade hides an astute political brain but he really is a political straw man.

MayBee70

Years of being a second rate journalist doesn’t create a great politician does it.His head must be full of constantly trying to think up funny little sound bites.

I think part of his problem is that not only does/did Cummings have no loyalty to the Conservative Party or Johnson but Johnson himself has little loyalty to the Tory Party he has created. It is there to serve him and not the other way round.

So, having created what is more like a Court it is no wonder that these people behave more like courtiers, Queens, etc., with patronage playing a great part. This is how Johnson sees himself.

I'm not trying to second guess. I'm trying to make sense of muddled contradictions.

I'm just so agog to find out what the ordinary, switched off, voter 'knows' is 'going on'.

I've seen lots of suggestions on twitter, but they are from the people, apparently a minority, who do care...

MaizieD

^Are you implying that the public really does know what's going on, despite earlier claims that the public doesn't care?^

Come on, growstuff, don't try to second guess her.

I'm looking forward to the voice of the ordinary voter explaining what it is that is 'going on' that they know about and we don't...

I'm not trying to second guess. I'm trying to make sense of muddled contradictions.

The "public" includes me and I most certainly care. I also don't instantly forget something and accept the next soundbite as truth.

Johnson has said some really appalling things, which make me inclined to believe that he could easily have said what is being claimed.

It certainly doesn't seem to be full of much else, MayBee...

Years of being a second rate journalist doesn’t create a great politician does it.His head must be full of constantly trying to think up funny little sound bites.

It's easy to record speech on a smart phone, you know!

The report I saw said he had 'audio'.

I'd believe anything of a man who could call the 'ventilator challenge' Operation Last Gasp

Of course he has tapes. He probably learned that from his years in Russia.

Whitewavemark2

Blimey.

Cummings is saying that he has tapes.

I'm wouldn't be suprised if he does. I would think it ought to be par for the course when dealing with Johnson. Thoughts of Nixon on hearing that.

Johnson said that Libya could be the new Dubai once they clear the dead bodies away.

I don't know if the latest reports about what he said about lockdown are true or not, but the very fact that our PM is somebody who can make these kinds of remarks means that he has no empathy for anyone and he's a disgrace and an embarrassment.

I have visions of him now recording the charts off the radio to listen to in his vauxhall cavalier on the way to work and I bet he's made a cassette sleeve from smash hits magazine as he looks the sort who would.

Whitewavemark2

I cannot believe that Johnson would have said this.

This is the sort of lying headlines that give our media such an appalling name.

Just watching Sky and his biographer is saying he has said something similar and shocking when he was Foreign Secretary and that is will be the sort of language that appeals to part of the population

tapes? what is this..the 90s?