Anyone understand why Johnson is so far ahead in the polls?

Fair point Gannygangan. But given that the result was 48/52 even the slightest difference would be important. Also, I imagine that there are quite a few more people who do not have a degree that who do.

Also this:

Of the 30 areas with the fewest graduates in the UK, 28 backed Brexit, according to the BBC. “By contrast, 29 out of the 30 areas with the most graduates voted Remain”, including the City of London, Belfast South, Cambridge, Oxford and Edinburgh, it adds.

Not smug, just facts, no ranting on this side.

MerylStreep

As an aside I see that Michel Barnier has finally admitted to faults within the eu.
Lessons should be learnt from the current crisis, including whether countries could be given more powers to act independently of Brussels in the future because independent nations are capable of moving quicker than blocs
It’s almost a Henry Higgins moment he’s got it, by Jove he’s got it ???

Why wouldn't he? Are you suggesting that the UK (if it remains the UK) will be faultless?

Perhaps you believe ignorance is bliss and we should be bowing down before Johnson as if he is a god who can do no wrong?

From the above link

According to YouGov, 68% of voters with a university degree wanted to remain in the EU, while 70% of voters with only GCSE qualifications or lower voted to leave. Those with A levels and no degree were evenly split.

All this smugness for 2%?

But we were still in the EU when we acted independently I believe.

Mollygo

Alegrias1

Treads carefully...

The results show that in areas where the average level of education of the electorate is lower, the outcome was more likely to be for Brexit.

Blame who you like for that, but that's how it is.

Wow! So now you know GNs.
If you voted for Brexit you’re uneducated. It’s highly unlikely that all posters on GN voted remain so you’ve now been classified. All hail to the educated remainers.
Leavers, sorry, your degrees, doctorates and other qualifications still mean you're uneducated. In our house we have 2 degrees and a doctorate and a split vote. I’m not going to tell DH how his education doesn’t count.

It appears some would not even pass a child's comprehension test. Where does it say If you voted for Brexit you’re uneducated.

As an aside I see that Michel Barnier has finally admitted to faults within the eu.
Lessons should be learnt from the current crisis, including whether countries could be given more powers to act independently of Brussels in the future because independent nations are capable of moving quicker than blocs
It’s almost a Henry Higgins moment he’s got it, by Jove he’s got it ???

I don't like this business of more intelligent people voting to remain either.

It was a set of statistics and those who keep bringing it up are those who voted Brexit. What were those who gathered the data - which covered many areas as well as education level and income - supposed to do Gannygangan - lie?

Mollygo

Alegrias1

Treads carefully...

The results show that in areas where the average level of education of the electorate is lower, the outcome was more likely to be for Brexit.

Blame who you like for that, but that's how it is.

Wow! So now you know GNs.
If you voted for Brexit you’re uneducated. It’s highly unlikely that all posters on GN voted remain so you’ve now been classified. All hail to the educated remainers.
Leavers, sorry, your degrees, doctorates and other qualifications still mean you're uneducated. In our house we have 2 degrees and a doctorate and a split vote. I’m not going to tell DH how his education doesn’t count.

I'll post this again as you may have missed it when I posted it upthread.

www.theweek.co.uk/89378/fact-check-did-uk-s-better-educated-vote-remain

Would you like me to explain probability distributions to you?

The educational link to Brexit voting is a fact GrannyGravy13, I’m a fan of facts.
blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/educational-attainment-brexit/
There’s plenty more online, but this is a good analysis.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

It is also irrefutable that those with A level and above educational standard almost wholly voted for Remain, and the lower down the educational/income scale you go the more likely is was that the individual voted brexit.

The reason why I have outlined in my argument.m

I can name numerous people with A levels and degrees who voted for Brexit, but hey ho I missed the spot on the Ballot Paper where we had to declare our level of education!

I am not making any value judgement here, I am just stating fact, as a poster seems to want to suggest that many on the remain side called the Brexiters thick because of that. Wasn’t true was it?

I have explained in my long ramblings why those carrying out unskilled work etc voted for Brexit in Teeside., because that was the subject of debate when I was told that I didn’t listen nor understand.

Alegrias1

^Treads carefully...^

The results show that in areas where the average level of education of the electorate is lower, the outcome was more likely to be for Brexit.

Blame who you like for that, but that's how it is.

Wow! So now you know GNs.
If you voted for Brexit you’re uneducated. It’s highly unlikely that all posters on GN voted remain so you’ve now been classified. All hail to the educated remainers.
Leavers, sorry, your degrees, doctorates and other qualifications still mean you're uneducated. In our house we have 2 degrees and a doctorate and a split vote. I’m not going to tell DH how his education doesn’t count.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

It is also irrefutable that those with A level and above educational standard almost wholly voted for Remain, and the lower down the educational/income scale you go the more likely is was that the individual voted brexit.

The reason why I have outlined in my argument.m

I can name numerous people with A levels and degrees who voted for Brexit, but hey ho I missed the spot on the Ballot Paper where we had to declare our level of education!

And I can name you people without who didn't. I am sure your know this GG13 but that's not quite how statistics work.

MayBee70

I thought it was all about fishing? That didn’t exactly go well, did it?

It's interesting, isn't it MayBee, that every Brexiteer was on the side of those who used to be employed in the Fishing industry years ago until Boris made a mess of the agreement.

Now they don't say a word.

It's an odd one, that bus thing.

When I saw it it didn't enter my head that it was claiming to give 350 million to the NHS. Just that the money saved by not being in the EU could be spent on the NHS amongst other things.

I voted to stay but wasn't quite as devastated as some when it went the other way.

I don't like this business of more intelligent people voting to remain either.

It doesn't help anything

Whitewavemark2

It is also irrefutable that those with A level and above educational standard almost wholly voted for Remain, and the lower down the educational/income scale you go the more likely is was that the individual voted brexit.

The reason why I have outlined in my argument.m

I can name numerous people with A levels and degrees who voted for Brexit, but hey ho I missed the spot on the Ballot Paper where we had to declare our level of education!

I thought it was all about fishing? That didn’t exactly go well, did it?

It is also irrefutable that those with A level and above educational standard almost wholly voted for Remain, and the lower down the educational/income scale you go the more likely is was that the individual voted brexit.

The reason why I have outlined in my argument.m

I’m not sure from memory that the reason given for voting Brexit was argued from the standpoint of the Teeside w/c.

My memory tells me that the reasons were various, but primarily because you wanted to take back control, sovereignty was mentioned a huge amount, and the arguments put forward by the brexit propaganda machine were right up there.

I seem to also remember that when one reason, suggested was immigration, it was hotly denied by posters.

I would like to add that I was certainly not trying to teach anybody anything, but yesterday I was told rather rudely that I understood nothing about why the w/c voted for Johnson, and today I simply outlined my understanding of the historic reasons behind the vote. Nothing more nothing less.

In case anyone has forgotten

Let's not forget the big lie a certain Boris Johnson campaigned on. You know all the money the NHS would get- but no one has proved he is a liar have they????

I paid a lot of attention to the Brexit debates because I cared a great deal about the outcome.

Not once before the vote did I ever hear anyone on the Remain side accuse Leave voters of being thick or uneducated.

It is true, however, that after the vote numerous reputable studies showed that those with the lowest levels of education were more likely to vote Leave.

This was hardly surprising. The whole premise of the referendum was wrong and we must blame David Cameron for that. He asked voters to give a simple answer to an exceedingly complicated question.

He allowed a referendum on the most important constitutional issue to be determined on one day by a popular vote without the protection of a supermajority as is normally required to alter any constitution such as thjat of your local gardening society. This was criminally arrogant and irresponsible.

The whole question of the advantages and disadvantages of our EU membership, let alone the likely consequenses of brexit, was extremely complicated.

It was irresponsible in the extreme to ask voters to give a simple yes/no answer to a very complicate question which few people got near to understanding. The most ridiculous thing ever said by the Leave voters was "we knew exactly what we were voting for".

None of them did. Did they know all about trade agreements, tarrifs, customs rules, regulations and standards, our freedoms as EU citizens to live and work in 27 other countries, the huge contributions other EU citizens were making to our country, let alone did they even consider the problem of Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement? Of course not.

It is also true that few, if any, Remain voters understood all the implications, but the more educated voters were more likely to have some relevant knowledge to help them come to the conclusion that we were better remaining in the EU.

MerylStreep, are you suggesting that if you didn't believe that you had been told you were not educated enough to understand the finer points you would not have voted Brexit or deserted Labour.

It's interesting that this "blame the other guy, it's not me Gov" excuse holds no truth. No one can ever show me where the Labour party said that or anyone else for that matter. We can see where people disagreed with the opinion of Brexiteers and Pro-Cons but none of these "slights" actually happened.

And so we also have to believe that if anyone told you they didn't agree with you; that they disagree with your opinion and tell you why they think what they do, that disagreement with your opinion, not your actual belief will make you - force you even - to vote Brexit and deserted Labour and it seems, keep supporting a liar and a possible fraudster?

So you hold no strong opinion but just do these things in a fit of pique.

I simply don't believe this. Why on earth can't you stand up for your own opinions? Where did all these snowflakes come from?

Whitewave when was the last government of integrity and
honesty ?

Whitewavemark2
Everything you have written here as in the reason why people deserted labour, voted brexit was told to you and others in the lead up to the referendum and ad infinitum there after.
We were told we were wrong, not educated enough to understand the finer points etc etc.
And yet here you are literally trying to teach your grandmother how to suck eggs.

Johnson was found to be guilty of illegally trying to prorogue parliament wasn’t he? In what way was he punished for that? Of course, silly me. That was a different government and there has been an election since then so it doesn’t count ( other than proving how easily he lies and how little he cares about the law).