Anyone understand why Johnson is so far ahead in the polls?

Epistocracy

It's a thing.

Gossamerbeynon1945

I have already said that I can'tdo links.

I have also already said that the thread is in Chat and the title is

"What do the Labour party need to do to stop their slow death?"

Are you able to copy and paste, Gossamer?

All you have to do is copy the link and paste it into your message.

Though I know it can be difficult on some devices.

Urmstongran I agree.
Baggs The dismissal of ‘ordinary voters’ is so true, especially if their votes do not concur with those real voters who know that only they really understand what’s going on.
The only thing that is ever true in politics is that each government will blame the previous one for their own inability to fulfil their election promises.

I have already said that I can'tdo links.

I have also already said that the thread is in Chat and the title is

"What do the Labour party need to do to stop their slow death?"

Galaxy

I binge watched After Life 2 in an evening Jane, I was a complete mess

sympathies

Urmstongran

^Right, before the next GE everyone eligible to vote has to take an IQ test and a compulsory 6 month course in PPE, Central & Local Government and Law & Justice.
Anyone getting less than 100% in the final exams will be struck off the Electoral Register^

Brilliant Calli ??

Goodness, if anyone got only 50% in that final exam they'd be better qualified to vote than many of the current lot of voters

^Right, before the next GE everyone eligible to vote has to take an IQ test and a compulsory 6 month course in PPE, Central & Local Government and Law & Justice.
Anyone getting less than 100% in the final exams will be struck off the Electoral Register^

Brilliant Calli ??

Baggs

^I'm still waiting for someone to explain how people who take no interest at all in politics (and who actually seem to think that elections are some sort of personality or beauty contest) are competent to vote for a government?^

Competence is irrelevant (I'll come back to that). The definition of democracy is that people vote for their political leaders and can vote them out if they prove useless – useless as judged by the voters, that is. Anything else is not democracy.

There is a fashion nowadays to scoff at ordinary voters as unworthy and "incompetent". Still, for all that, people choosing, or at least having a choice even if they don't very often get exactly what they want, is the only fair form of government. Democracy may be rubbish but it's only rubbish , to paraphrase, except for all the other kinds of government the world has seen. And then, by somparison, it's the best.

Well said Baggs ?

Still no link to this mumsnet thread Gossamerbeynon1945

GrannyGravy13

PippaZ

lemongrove

I wonder if PippaZ thinks that people who don’t understand politics should have the vote?

And another one.

So asking a question on a Political Thread is now an attack?

^Me thinks the lady doth protest too much^

Reported

trisher

Gossamerbeynon1945

All Labour voters should read the Mumsnet thread, especially the last post. It is about a cartoon in Private Eye. A Labour canvasser visits a home where the man is wearing a Union Jack Tshirt and the woman an I Love Brexit one.
The canvasser says "Why don't you racist, fascists vote Labour?"

I don't think the rise of right wing extremism in this country is something to joke about. And it is happening.

Are we to infer from this, trisher, that you equate wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with either a Union Jack or "I Love Brexit" to 'right wing extremism'? Surely, the joke's on the Labour canvasser who makes this absurd connection?

To answer WW's question, I dont either.

Mokryna
Who do I vote for? I suppose I could find an Independent candidate to vote for- not that they would stand a chance of getting elected.

I don't like Boris and his lies, don't like Drakeford much (he was a big fan of Corbyn) although he has operated the vaccination programme really well, don't like Adam Pryce for many reasons (I knew him in another life). I think we need a new party for people like me and many others. I live in a Labour stronghold, so don't have much choice.

Aveline

*MaizieD*- if you read my posts you'd remember that I said that the British PM should have a more impressive residence than a flat above the office. Boris won't be PM forever. He's only the current one.

Yes, but if the British Voter persists in electing clowns to the office of PM and believing that other people behind the scenes do the actual work of running the country, does the Clown in Chief really deserve an impressive residence?

Surely it should go to the Head of the Civil Service if he's doing the actual job?

Gossamerbeynon1945

Trisher, I wasn't trying to be funny, but you must admit to a smile at that cartoon. I don't like Boris at all, he gives me the creeps. I have decided not to vote, because I don't like any of them, and they all lie.

Suffragettes struggled to get the vote for women, please vote. I am not allowed although I pay English taxes.

I've just learned that its called an epistocracy.

aeon.co/ideas/the-right-to-vote-should-be-restricted-to-those-with-knowledge

I’ve just read elsewhere about a cartoon in the latest Private Eye.
Labour canvasser on a doorstep.
Standing at the open door are a man in a Union Jack T shirt, a woman in an ‘I Love Brexit’ one.

Canvasser is saying, ‘Why won’t you racist fascists vote Labour?’

Sums up Labour’s sneering attitude to many of its former voters IMO.

I binge watched After Life 2 in an evening Jane, I was a complete mess

|Anyone, of any intelligence or knowledge or completely unknowledgeble, must be allowed to vote.

Remember how hard women fought to get the vote

Trisher, I wasn't trying to be funny, but you must admit to a smile at that cartoon. I don't like Boris at all, he gives me the creeps. I have decided not to vote, because I don't like any of them, and they all lie.

PippaZ

lemongrove

I wonder if PippaZ thinks that people who don’t understand politics should have the vote?

And another one.

So asking a question on a Political Thread is now an attack?

Me thinks the lady doth protest too much

Witzend

*Maybee*, I don’t know where you got the idea that Starmer ‘makes people’s skin crawl’.

I don’t think it’s that at all. Skin-crawling is the sort of thing many of us used to feel about the likes of Jimmy Savile. It’s just that he’s seemingly lacking in anything to inspire or attract Joe/Jane ordinary voter. He’s a bit of a grey nothing-very-much.

rosie1959 Fri 30-Apr-21 14:00:39

......I have always liked him so must be one of the stupid but Keir Starmer makes my skin crawl far to greasy...

HTH

Re your post suziewoozie" @ 13.49 in reference to my post @ 13.39 which was quite clearly in response to *Kamiso's post @ 13.33 in which she quoted vampirequeen who posted "Because many people are stupid".

I'm not lacking in guts any more than I'm lacking in the ability to respond to other posters in a non confrontational and aggressive manner.

lemongrove

I wonder if PippaZ thinks that people who don’t understand politics should have the vote?

And another one.

Galaxy

Could we maybe have Ricky Gervais then, he cheers me up, obviously there would be a bit of swearing.

Did you watch After Life? We watched both series in a day
My husband said, what the F are you doing? this is such an emotional roller coaster