Anyone understand why Johnson is so far ahead in the polls? ( 2)

Do you know what? I’ll let you carry on however you like.
The first Nazi concentration camp was set up in 1933 ( you can Google it).
Hitler didn’t wait for the war to start his campaign against dissenters, and the various groups which didn’t fit in with his view of Aryan supremacy. You want to argue with that, feel free.
You want to postulate that BJ, is a would be dictator, when his rules and decisions many people either ignore or adapt to mean what they want without the repercussions suffered under Hitler, go ahead, I’ll let you.
Nevertheless comparing BJ and the Tories with Hitler and the Nazis is inaccurate and inappropriate and also implies that the population of this country has no freedom or the right to vote for who they want in government.
But if that’s what you want to do, I’ll let you have the last word, though I won’t be reading it.

varian

This is the share of the vote according to Sir JohnCurtice

That doesn't look a bit like the reporting we are hearing. I wonder why?

Thanks for putting it on Varian.

Mollygo

Do you know what? I’ll let you carry on however you like.
The first Nazi concentration camp was set up in 1933 ( you can Google it).
Hitler didn’t wait for the war to start his campaign against dissenters, and the various groups which didn’t fit in with his view of Aryan supremacy. You want to argue with that, feel free.
You want to postulate that BJ, is a would be dictator, when his rules and decisions many people either ignore or adapt to mean what they want without the repercussions suffered under Hitler, go ahead, I’ll let you.
Nevertheless comparing BJ and the Tories with Hitler and the Nazis is inaccurate and inappropriate and also implies that the population of this country has no freedom or the right to vote for who they want in government.
But if that’s what you want to do, I’ll let you have the last word, though I won’t be reading it.

You are being so extreme in your presentation that everyone had to comply or they felt they risked their lives. How did he get so many people behind him it that is true? Many thought he would change their lives. For many reasons why they were prepared to listen to anyone who would offer that. It is simply not true that all the people did not/could not make a choice. Many, many did. They may have regretted it but this was not an army marching in and taking over as the Russians did later or as Hitler did into the smaller countries. I cannot believe many would agree that everyone was actually against him from the beginning but dare not show it. I simply don't believe that was true historically.

These are the 7 rules to becoming a Dictator:

1. Expand your power base through nepotism and corruption.
2. Instigate a monopoly on the use of force to curb public protest
3. Curry favour by providing public goods efficiently and generously.
4. Get rid of you7. Create an ideology to justify an exalted position.r political enemies
5. Create and defeat a common enemy.
6. Accumulate power by manipulating the hearts and minds of your citizens.

This is the way it happens. Not necessarily in the same order but each one gets ticked off eventually.

www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/naturally-selected/201702/7-steps-becoming-dictator

This is frigbtening or should be frightening to anyone who believes that the UK sham democracy is immune to such manipulation.

1. Expand your power base through nepotism and corruption.
Doing well on this one. Replacing all key 'monitoring' posts with tory friends and donors.

2. Instigate a monopoly on the use of force to curb public protest

Who controls the police and the army?

3. Curry favour by providing public goods efficiently and generously.

Has yet to be seen, but lots of promises. 'Efficiency' might be questionable...

4. Get rid of your political enemies

Heave 'dissenters out of the Party. Manipulate parliamentary procedures to allow no time for scrutiny. Ignore parliamentary conventions and norms.

5. Create and defeat a common enemy.

Hmm... the EU, Remainers, left wingers, refugees, benefit 'scroungers'?

6. Accumulate power by manipulating the hearts and minds of your citizens.

Working on it with the flag hugging and lots of reference to 'world beating'

7. Create an ideology to justify an exalted position.

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I think you have to have achieve dictator status to be able to go to number 7, Maizie.

Yes, I'd like to know too. Because look at the figures for this Government - and the gigantic borrowing- the likes of which we still do not know, nor the terms.

One fact is clear, the Tories did NOT take Hartlepool- but a divided Labour did. When the 'left' of the party chooses to see Keir Starmer as the enemy, instead of the Tories- and either abstain, vote 'alt' or even Tory - then they have to take responsibility for what happened. The fault lies squarely with them. A divided Labour in reality- results in Tories again and again. Many Labour voters seem either unable, or unwilling- to accept this.

Kali2 you will find MaizieD tells us it’s not like a household budget that has to be ‘paid back’.
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I’m too dim to remember why and how these eye watering figures get resolved. I think it’s about generating jobs, taxes get paid and go into the coffers. We produce our own money.

Is this unlike the EU? They have eye watering debt too.

Glad I’m not Rishi Sunak. I’d never get off to sleep.

Regarding A divided Labour in reality

Keir Starmer in suit and tie.
Angela Raynor in leopard print leggings and DM’s in Hartlepool.

One posh. One not.

Did she want to promote ‘I’m one of you’? Or did her dress choice seem disrespectful to the voters?

I suppose in the big sea it ought not to matter what she chooses to wear. Except that somehow it does. She is the Deputy Leader of the Opposition.

How will Rishi do THAT- with Brexit decimating the economy at all levels, including the massive tax earner, Financial Services. Did you see the news today about Freeports and massive tariffs. Rishi and the dreaded, blundering Liz Truss counted on those Free Ports- and have made a total dreadful mess of this.

Urmstongran

Regarding A divided Labour in reality

Keir Starmer in suit and tie.
Angela Raynor in leopard print leggings and DM’s in Hartlepool.

One posh. One not.

Did she want to promote ‘I’m one of you’? Or did her dress choice seem disrespectful to the voters?

I suppose in the big sea it ought not to matter what she chooses to wear. Except that somehow it does. She is the Deputy Leader of the Opposition.

Isn't each of us one of "us" Urmstongran? More Tory culture wars!

Free Ports would never and have never worked.

I wonder if it was Angela Rayner who demanded that Keir Starmer should kneel alongside her. Hmm wonder who really is the boss.

For heavens sake. We have a PM that looks like a scarecrow even when he’s in parliament. What’s wrong with the way that Raynor and Starmer dress?

varian

This is not 2011. Nick Clegg has gone but the LibDems still thrive.

Our Local District Council has 82 Liberal Democrats, 14 Conservatives, 5 Independents and 1 Green Councillor.

No Labour Councillors!

The Labour Party can only hope to survive is it rejects the confrontational undemocratic FPTP system and promotes PR

The areas we live in obviously influence how we see things. Here the LibDems are nothing. Greens are more relevant and they will thrive because they will get the young vote which would in the past have gone to Labour.

I can't see Lab or the Libs getting close to power in the near future. Remember the LibDems totally screwed the student population in England. They are the future voters. The government of the day was tory but the LibDems carry the can for it.

Kali2 you will find MaizieD tells us it’s not like a household budget that has to be ‘paid back’.

Indeed I would, Ug, and so would any economist. Just try googling it and you'll see loads of results from economists saying that a national economy is not like a household economy.

Do you know what all this supposed 'borrowing' is?

A small part of it is people's savings and investments; National Savings, Premium Bonds and treasury bonds.
People like investing with the government because it is very safe. Because the government will never default. Unlike the commercial banks in the 2007 global financial crisis. If the Labour government hadn't stepped in with quantitative easing all the money people had in their bank accounts would have just gone, 'pouf'... then we'd have been in a real mess.

A large part is money created by a few key strokes by the Bank of England. They're the one that create money and what is more, they are legally obliged to pay anything that the government tells them to pay.

A bit of a conundrum; the government 'owes' money to the BoE, but the BoE belongs to the government and issues money on its orders. So, who 'owes' what to who?

Cuts to public spending are a huge con, and recessionary.

^Keir Starmer in suit and tie.
Angela Raynor in leopard print leggings and DM’s in Hartlepool.

One posh. One not.^

Anyone who comments on the dress code of politicians, and supports Johnson and Rees-Mogg - totally lost the plot! The hypocrisy and irony is so vast.

Johnson and Rees Mogg don’t go to work though in leopard skin leggings. Both wear a suit and tie. Boris ruffles his hair. I think it’s to cover the fact that he has a slight bald patch.

If we’re splitting hairs though, Starmer is by far the smartest dressed, and he has a passing friendship with a comb as well. You may feel there are many things to criticise him for, but have to concede that his appearance is not one of them.
I do agree on the leopard print leggings - but they are less reprehensible than tricking your children out in tweed and party rosettes.

I believe Keir Hardie was vilified by the press for refusing to turn up in the standard dress for parliament, but wearing tweeds and a deerstalker instead.

Plus ça change.

You’ll appreciate this little tableau then. Those poor children.

Please, call Social Services

I can’t get the picture out of my head Urmston of Johnson and Rees Mogg in leopard skin leggings now ?.
I agree about a divided Labour Kali2, which is why I have left the party, and I suspect many more have also. Their membership has declined markedly, but I don’t see the split quite as you do.

Greeneyedgirl ??

Those poor children.

I have seen videos of them behaving normally, doing those daft dances that are popular with children (don't ask me what they are but the DGD are always doing them).

One looks like a clone of Daddy, one looks bored stiff but the girl and younger boy look quite sweet.

It would be great if they rebelled.