Queens speech

'Boris Johnson is a shameless pathological liar who will let you down'

Perhaps it's better to ask those who know him.

Is Boris Johnson and habitual liar? No he most certainly is not. Is that simple enough Kali2?

One, very simple question. To all Johnson supporters here, who trust his plan and vision.

Is he, or is he not- an habitual liar. Simple yes, or no, will suffice.

Aveline

Is the Queens speech not just an outline? The devil will be in the detail.

Johnson stood outside No 10 in autumn 2019 and announced that he has a social care plan ready to go.
There is footage of him so it show him up in all his lying glory

To encourage us to talk about this point instead of the main issues?

Urmstongran

Why are we scrabbling round to fit this narrative to suit the minuscule number of people in the UK who do not have any form of photo ID? The tail is wagging the dog here.

Exactly- the very point, Why oh why did Johnson choose to make this a big constitutional issue- for a minuscule number. Why. Which dog, which tail?

Urmstongran

Why are we scrabbling round to fit this narrative to suit the minuscule number of people in the UK who do not have any form of photo ID? The tail is wagging the dog here.

People convicted of voter fraud in the 2019 election - 1

People don’t have photo ID in the UK - 3.5 million

This far-right government is doing this purely to advantage themselves.

Is the Queens speech not just an outline? The devil will be in the detail.

Emily Maitlis on BBC Newsnight on scintillating form here tearing apart Chichester MP Gillian Keegan.
Maitlis - “UK data shows a 0.00001% of fraudulent votes. It is more likely that you'll be struck by lightning 3 times.”
Keegan - “To be honest, you don't actually know that.”

0.00001%

Did Johnson promise a social care plan, or not- where is it. Did anyone ask for Constitutional change on the doerstep, really?

Well I never thought it would come to this but I am going off the Tories and will hope that a more acceptable party will replace Labour - I will certainly vote for them if they produce the right policies. And, remarkably......I am even beginning to agree with some of Whitewavemark2's views.
It is clear that the solution for Social Services is just simply being pushed down the road. It is a crime !!
As to ID I agree with many that a majority have ID but for those without - it should be provided free. I do feel it is a necessity.
My gripe regarding the Queen's Speech is that I think another grave omission, as well a Bill for Social Care, is a Workers Rights Bill. I am beginning to sense that the Tories have no concern for workers rights at all
I am astounded that there has been no mention of recalling the Workers (Definition & Rights) Bill which was introduced to the House of Commons in 2019. This bill was subsequently abandoned after the 1st reading - why? In the Queen's Speech of Dec'19 a suggestion was made that this would be brought forward. Now we get to May'21 and there is no mention of it at all. It is a disgrace that this has not been deemed of importance. There are so many insecure jobs currently. It is not possible to 'build back better' if we don't look after the workforce and make their jobs worthwhile. Having been a long time Tory I am hoping that a credible alternative will emerge...one that I feel happy to vote for.

Thanks for that information, Callistemon

In brief:

Wales has become the first UK country to offer people experiencing homelessness priority access to a Covid-19 vaccine after Welsh ministers chose to deviate from official advice.

www.bigissue.com/latest/wales-becomes-first-uk-nation-to-offer-vaccine-priority-to-homeless-people

As an aside, I'm curious as to how homeless people in Wales manage to get a vaccination if they had none of the ID you mentioned, Callistemon? A highly vulnerable group most likely to have none of the ID documents you listed.
Or do they just not get vaccinated?

gov.wales/people-experiencing-homelessness-be-prioritised-covid-vaccine

Posters are talking about a right wing Tory government eroding our rights and our liberties by wanting to introduce ID cards.

As an aside, I'm curious as to how homeless people in Wales manage to get a vaccination if they had none of the ID you mentioned, Callistemon? A highly vulnerable group most likely to have none of the ID documents you listed.
Or do they just not get vaccinated?

Anyway, back to the main argument.

I have absolutely no problem with having a passport or a driving licence, they both fulfil an essential service.

I have no problem with having to produce ID for the collection of goods in certain circumstances. They ensure that the items go to the right person and provide the business with evidence of their customer care system in the event of any dispute.

I do have a massive problem with requiring ID for in person voting when it has never been needed and there is absolutely no evidence that it is needed.

Every UK citizen is entitled to vote. This is hailed as being the essential basis of our democracy. Putting barriers in place which could deny them this right is undemocratic. It also offers a pathway to voter suppression for an unscrupulous government.

No amount of whataboutery changes this.

How does that affect postal votes? Presumably all voters are on the electoral register so would be sent polling cards.

Alexa

Mamardoit, if you cannot vote without an identity card you may well be discouraged from attending at the polling station. It is already a problem that too few of the electorate turn out to vote.

Couldn't agree more, Alexa

I didn't show ID for either vaccination. I showed my email, I gave personal data but no physical ID was asked for.
Yes, presumably in England.

I was pointing out the difference between England and Wales.

Posters are talking about a right wing Tory government eroding our rights and our liberties by wanting to introduce ID cards.

I was pointing out that in Labour-run Wales the appointment letter stated that you must bring ID to the vaccination appointment in the form of a passport, driving licence or bus pass. In the event of none, then a utility bill would suffice. Yes, they did check it.
I do not know what happened in the event of having none.
I took my passport and everyone was given a proof of vaccination card.

Further to my post at 9.37, I'll remind people that the Electoral Commission did find 'Vote Leave' guilty of breaking electoral law and they were fined £20,000. A derisory amount, but sadly the maximum they are permitted to fine.

GrannyGravy13

Governments change, things can be undone we are not in Russia, China or North Korea with no voice!

Yet...

Alegrias1

I will carry an ID card with me when hell freezes over.

It's very chilly for May!

Governments change, things can be undone we are not in Russia, China or North Korea with no voice!

Thin end of the wedge....

"Show me your papers...."

"You have no right to be here...."

Please just don't say "if you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to worry about" ....

Really, when Hell freezes over.

Got no problem with carrying a card around and have never been able to understand the protests. In fact I would probably feel safer to know that people are identified. We used to have medical cards years ago and that wasn’t a problem. It would also mean when we no longer drive and are not up for going abroad that there isn’t a real need for renewing passports.

Urmstongran

Regards social care provision. I guess the fundamental problem is that everyone wants what no one wants to pay for. A solution will never be ‘found’, it will have to be imposed. If a government can’t do that when the opposition is underwater then when?

That is exactly where the courage is needed by Johnson. Unfortunately I’m not convinced that he has the spine.

Merkel took the bull by the horns against stiff opposition, but it has all faded away and look where they are now?

Unfortunately Social Care has become a postcode lottery we were extremely fortunate to have had carers come in for Mum when she was with us, in fact we only used half of our allotted slots . Our step-father was admitted to a home specialising in dementia and Alzheimer’s direct from hospital, the only bills Mum got were for chiropodist and barber.

My friend’s Mum who had dementia for six years, had no home visits from carers, only respite care for 6 weeks per year. She paid for home nursing when she had to go to work, they lived 4 miles away.