Queens speech

I'd rather carry an ID card with me than have to take my passport to prove my identity.

Many people don't have passports.

Callistemon

If the Government wants its citizens to carry ID cards they will have to fund it.

Nope. They'll have to whistle for it. They work for us, remember.

Urmstongran

Why are we scrabbling round to fit this narrative to suit the minuscule number of people in the UK who do not have any form of photo ID? The tail is wagging the dog here.

Wow. The miniscule number of people without photo id? Read the article for God's sake. Then think about the less-than-miniscule number that actually try to commit electoral fraud. ?

Tail wagging the dog indeed. The government are the tail and we're the dog.

MaizieD

^We had to produce ID when we went for our vaccines; either a driving licence or passport or a bus pass.^

We didn't.

We did here in Labour-run Wales.

How odd!

If the Government wants its citizens to carry ID cards they will have to fund it.

Urmstongran

Why are we scrabbling round to fit this narrative to suit the minuscule number of people in the UK who do not have any form of photo ID? The tail is wagging the dog here.

Why are you trying to justify the imposition of a completely unnecessary requirement for voter ID?

We had to produce ID when we went for our vaccines; either a driving licence or passport or a bus pass.

We didn't.

Why are we scrabbling round to fit this narrative to suit the minuscule number of people in the UK who do not have any form of photo ID? The tail is wagging the dog here.

MaizieD

Alegrias1

Good article MaizieD I hope those saying they don't understand the problem with voter id read it.

They won't...

I don't object to ID cards in principle.

We had to produce ID when we went for our vaccines; either a driving licence or passport or a bus pass.
Only older people have bus passes.

I wonder what happened with those who had none of the above?

Does everyone have a bus pass? Really?

A bus pass?

Does your utility bill have your photo on it UG ?

Urmstongran

Spain have ID cards. France too I believe.
Actually I think nowadays (because the world isn’t what it was 50y ago) they are a good thing.

Yes, and I would agree it is a good idea. But in the UK, we do not- either we do, or we don't. And it needs to be Government funded and it will be very expensive.

A utility bill? A UC letter?

Anniebach

Why would voter ID make life difficult for poorer people ?

This comment is insensitive and ignorant in the extreme.

Because poorer people mostly do not have passports, nor do they have driving licences.

Either we have ID cards- or we don't.

Which ID card do you think poorer people could use?

Gajahgran

Sorry, still can't see why anyone would be opposed to voter ID. We have a voter number anyway in the UK and are usually asked for it at the Polling Station.

The reasons are in the article posted by MaizieD

Alegrias1

Good article MaizieD I hope those saying they don't understand the problem with voter id read it.

They won't...

They would have to intercept my application for a postal ballot (signed in the little box by me) and the actual ballot paper also signed by me.

But, Marmardoit, what if someone collected them from people who didn't intend to vote and asked for /obtained their signatures, then set about some quiet forgery? Or coerced people into voting the way they told them to?
Or someone quietly extracted some of the returned votes that were for the 'wrong side'? It appears that some counts aren't as scrupulously conducted as they should be. I seem to recall the BBC politics correspondent in 2019 announcing loads of votes for tories before she should have been able to...

Not being the incredibly suspicious type (no, I really, truly, in general, am not,) I actually think that even postal voting fraud is probably negligible. But I think it's likely to be easier...

Good article MaizieD I hope those saying they don't understand the problem with voter id read it.

Sorry, still can't see why anyone would be opposed to voter ID. We have a voter number anyway in the UK and are usually asked for it at the Polling Station.

GrannyGravy13

As the consensus on GN is that the poor and uneducated are now voting Conservative, one would have thought voter ID would be applauded?

WHY DO WE NEED VOTER ID?

This is not just a question for you, GG13, it's for everyone who thinks it's a good idea, or, not a bad idea.

This guy puts it well (and makes a couple of points that I've already made )

Ultimately:

In a democracy, it is for the voters to decide who governs; it is not for the government to decides who votes. This legislation must be resisted

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/voter-fraud-elections-queens-speech-photo-identification

Can't see any problem with voter ID or any other type of ID for that matter.

Alegrias1

Oh, ok I see what you mean. It was you telling that I was being laughable that really swung it for me.

Sorry that was probably rude of me. I try to be polite, but often fail.

I'm not the only one is the only defense I can offer.

We are a contrary lot Alegrias. You’re right.

That said, I wish our government would look at best practice whether it’s from from Europe, Australia, Canada or wherever and tailor their findings to best suit our needs.

For example I don’t think the NHS is ‘the best in the world’. Yes it’s fantastic that it’s readily available (not free, we’ve all paid in) at the time of need. But a radical overhaul is long overdue. How best to go about it? Surely it’s good to see how other countries deliver health care to their citizens?