I do wonder- is this what the Brexiters wanted?

Dryginger we are just so angry at the loss for everyone particularly the next generation.
The whole idea of the uniting of the European countries in more than just an agreement but to have financial interests also was to greatly diminish the possibility of another war. That was Churchill’s original idea. For two thousand years there was almost continuous war going on between sections of Europe. Anyone who was even a child in WW2 will remember the feelings and the worry everywhere - seeing parts of London or other cities looking so sad and all demolished - you would never want that again.
For me the EU has opened up cultural and Educational benefits for so many people but my underlying reason has always been anti war and for me the risk of going back to the times of trouble in NI is just not worth risking. There were many ordinary people both sides of the border caught up in it through no fault of their own and the worry and upset was terrible for them all. It affected us on the mainland too - bombs in Guildford - bombs in Harrods - the poor people of Warrington and Belfast - unfortunately the list goes on and on - but NOTHING is worth putting that at risk!

I cant get over the fact that some posters are still so angry about Brexit and keep saying rude things about leavers. Its over its done Im sure we are not all going to fall into the sea because of it.
Im glad we are out but I expect I will get slammed for that.

Urmstongran

No varian being joyful about something is not the same as gloating about it.

Big difference.

It's a bit like being "joyful" when you find our county is coming first in the Olympics and then finding out they have cut the legs from under all the other competitors and still being "joyful". Not a good look I would have thought and not a feeling that will help your country in the long run.

Never the twain shall meet.

Proud of splitting the nation, too. There's no end of things to gloat over, is there?

I really don't believe that the Guardian for example, puts a negative spin on everything. It tells us what is happening, with facts and figures. The opinion columnists vary and don't sing from the same hymn sheet. Israel is a good example in that the opinion columns written by various journalists will range from those supporting Israel to those supporting Palestine and others in between.

All sources point to how so many sectors are being utterly destroyed currently- not necessarily by Brexit per say, but by this Brexit and this PM and his ERG entourage and agenda.

Please do reveal the sources that state the positives for

agriculture
fisheries
financial sector
industry

just for starters.

As I said, it depends on the sources you like to tune into varian.

We shall just have to agree to disagree on this topic otherwise we go round in dizzying circles.

Never the twain shall meet.

It is utterly perverse to be "joyful" about having any part, even the smallest part, in inflicting long term harm on our country, its future prosperity, its standing in the world and deliberatly harming the prospects of our children and grandchildren.

No varian being joyful about something is not the same as gloating about it.

Big difference.

None so blind as those that cannot see.

joyous = gloating

None do blind.

I never gloated.
I was just joyous as I never expected it to be voted for! Then again, neither did Dimbleby at 5am that morning. When he announced it on the BBC he looked as though he were chewing a hedgehog.

It seems to me that they achieved absolutely nothing, except the ability to gloat "we won!"

varian

One thing never changes - it is the total and absolute inability of leave voters to look at the facts, look at the evidence and admit that they were misled into voting for this brexit disaster.

Their defensiveness makes them turn away from all the evidence. It doesn't matter whether these brainwashed people are educated or not , whether they are intelligent or not, they will never admit that they got it wrong and are partly responsible for the immense damage that brexit has inflicted on our country..

That will never change.

So what do we do?

Part of the problem, varian, stems from the fact that we've never actually known what the Leave voters wanted. Apart from 'leave the EU'. (I don't think that they know, either; apart from 'leave the EU'), so it's very difficult to quantify just what 'leaving' has positively achieved. We had no criteria against which to judge success or failure.

A few months to destroy fishing, industry, financial services, and now farming - and no need to wait either.

Nought so blind ...

We read a variety of news sources varian as some (The Independent, The Times for example) are biased against Brexit and like to print gloom, doom and Armageddon or put a spin on a story to encourage a negative viewpoint. Other newspapers (such as the Telegraph and to a lesser extent the Daily Mail) tend to look for and print more positive stories about Brexit.

Seek & ye shall find.

You find your bias and I by the same token, find mine. Therefore I don’t agree with your very negative viewpoint and you don’t agree with my sunnier optimistic one!

Perhaps the real story is somewhere in the middle? Not the sunny uplands (yet anyway) nor the dire predictions you and others who voted Remain quote.

We were in the orbit of the EU for 47 years. We’ve only been out 22 weeks!. In my view, we’ve all got to accept the result now, move on (as we are never going to rejoin) - and allow a decent few months to pass to give our new way of life a chance to bed in.

Upwards and onwards.

A long journey ahead

They are slowly falling off the edge, little by little.

What we can do, is making people in the Labour Party realise that the realities of the First Past the Post system means that Labour cannot be divided and has to accept clever alliances with others who also oppose Tories and Brexit. A big task, but it can be done.

One thing never changes - it is the total and absolute inability of leave voters to look at the facts, look at the evidence and admit that they were misled into voting for this brexit disaster.

Their defensiveness makes them turn away from all the evidence. It doesn't matter whether these brainwashed people are educated or not , whether they are intelligent or not, they will never admit that they got it wrong and are partly responsible for the immense damage that brexit has inflicted on our country..

That will never change.

So what do we do?

Oh I wish- but we are just going down and down.

Heard about the PPE that was to be sent to India to help?

Round &. Round we go .... ?

Even worse, it is HIS, even if he clearly did not believe in it and knew how bad it would be. Because ERG handed him the power and the title he always coveted, come what may (well, not May). At least you believed it was the right thing- not sure how you can still believe it (very few do).

Kali2 if I didn't own it why would I tell people (who in the majority I do not know) on GN which way I voted.

GrannyGravy13

Kali2 my vote, my choice.

Yes, I have agreed to that. But now you have to own it- this disaster is yours, partly.

'Leaving the EU will be globally interpreted as a backward, narrow, xenophobic thing to do'

who said this and when?