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Number crunching the recent elections

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Whitewavemark2 Thu 13-May-21 08:29:16

Well, after all the brou-ha-ha over the days since last weeks election I’ve been looking at the actual figures coming out, and they show that nothing was as good nor bad as the hysteria would claim.

No one would deny that these elections were set in unique times, and these circumstances hopefully will never coincide ever again. Two factors Brexit and Covid and the vaccine roll out. The vaccine roll has 88% public approval, and it is unsurprising that all opposition parties struggled to be heard under these unique circumstances.

But, looking at the results now, it is clear that the incumbents throughout the U.K. did not win by a landslide that given the circumstances you might expect, but in fact the gains rather than landslides, were in fact quite modest.

So first to the SNP, Sturgeon only increased her vote by 1% in spite of her apparent popularity.

Second the local elections. The key figure here is the projected national share of the vote, and an estimate of how the parties would have faired in a GE.

By this yard stick, the Tories beat Labour 36% to 29% . Lib Dem’s 17%.

But, and here is the reason it is better to wait before getting to hysterical the result was neither huge nor groundbreaking for the Tories. In fact May achieved a better result in the 2017 local elections without the benefit if the vaccine rollout or Brexit.

Translated into parliamentary seats, this result would have sharply reduced Johnson’s majority.

The Tories also achieved much of their success due to the disappearance of UKIP and the Brexit party.

So to Hartlepool

In 2019 UKIP took 26% of the vote. Their absence saw the Tory vote almost double.

But the absence of UKIP in the locals and bye-election in England and Wales has not shown the overall increase of votes that the Tories might have hoped for. Tory vote increased overall by 5% since 2016, with a similar increase for Labour.

There can be little doubt that the centre right hegemony has gained control, but it is by no means firm and there are signs of fragmentation in the south of England where the Tories lost seats in true blue areas where voters feel culturally alienated from Johnson’s type of Toryism.

Once the covid period disappears and politics begins to settle into a more smiler pattern both Labour and the Tories will find they have work to do.

There is everything to play for.

Some stuff taken from Martin Kettle 13/5

varian Sat 15-May-21 12:57:59

People don't vote for various reasons - laziness, cynicism, lack of interest in politics, lack of understanding of the importance of voting, lack of opportunity to vote in a meaningful way in a place where the result is a forgone conclusion.

If we had a democratic electoral system where every vote counted equally, there would be less excuse for not voting.

Susieq62 Sat 15-May-21 12:45:11

If everybody who could vote did so, things might be different. My partner has 3 adult sons with partners, none of whom voted. They are in their 20s and 30s so need to be proactive. I don’t know how you encourage or persuade non voters to do so.

growstuff Sat 15-May-21 12:39:53

It doesn't surprise me either. The area is a genuine three way split with the balance shifting from time to time. It's the kind of area where a progressive alliance works and compromise candidates accurately reflect the consensus.

Jillybird Sat 15-May-21 12:37:19

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varian Sat 15-May-21 11:57:26

This does not surprise me. As a longstanding member of the LibDems, I would guess that most LibDems are much more likely to put Labour second rather than Tory. That was why the decision to enter a coalition with the cons in 2010 was such a difficult one for us and the way they have since behaved must put them even further beyond the pale.

Authoress Sat 15-May-21 11:52:33

Very interesting analysis, thank you.

growstuff Sat 15-May-21 11:45:33

Thanks for that MagicWand. Interesting.

MagicWand Sat 15-May-21 11:30:30

Growstuff

I think you’ll find the Cambridge mayor, who is the Labour candidate this time, won on the second round of the count after the LibDem candidate was eliminated after coming in third place.

The Conservative candidate, the region’s previous mayor, had a majority of about 17,000 from the first round so would have won on a FPTP basis, but lost by over 5,000 in the second count.

katy1950 Sat 15-May-21 11:10:01

I don't think the parties will change anytime soon all I know is the rich get richer and the poor get poorer no matter which party rules once in power they will just carry on with the same so I'm living my life my way

winterwhite Sat 15-May-21 11:08:43

Thank you very much, Whitewave. Must have taken you ages.

I'm strongly agree about a progressive alliance.

One hurdle to overcome is that the press much prefers a confrontational two-party system. However well the smaller parties performed - which was very well on 6 May - council results were reported in terms of red and blue.

Frizzywizzy Sat 15-May-21 10:38:49

Thank you Whitewave. Very interesting and gives me some optimism for the future.

growstuff Fri 14-May-21 19:43:04

LibDems and Labour have also formed an alliance to run Milton Keynes Council.

This works for councils because there are a number of seats available, whereas parliamentary constituencies are much bigger and only have one MP.

Nevertheless, it's a positive sign for people who want consensus politics. Even though local councils increasingly have less power and will have a fight on their hands to get anything done, it might shift public perception of politics and, ultimately, they might change the way they vote at national level - if they see a viable alternative.

Whatever happens, the Conservatives aren't getting it all their own way at local level. Interesting times!

varian Fri 14-May-21 14:24:44

I would like to see the LibDems and Greens stand down in support of Labour in the Batley and Spen by-election, especially if Jo Cox's sister is the Labour candidate.

growstuff Fri 14-May-21 12:56:50

The LibDems, Labour and four independents have agreed to run Cambridgeshire County Council as a joint administration.

That's in addition to the new Labour mayor for Cambridgeshire and Peterborough.

varian Thu 13-May-21 19:40:07

Polly Toynbee encourages the Labour Party to stand down in favour of the Libdems in the Amersham byelection.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/13/labour-party-deals-seats-chesham-amersham-byelection

Kali2 Thu 13-May-21 13:44:07

lemongrove

A week in politics is a long time let alone three or four years.

It is rumoured in high places that Johnson intends to call an election early, in 2 years' time- whilst riding on the vaccination high, and before the findings of the Covid handling and contracts, etc, findings.

And possibly hoping Labour will still be tearing each other apart, instead of fighting Tories.

lemongrove Thu 13-May-21 13:38:41

It was obvious, of course Whitewave but needed saying all the same.
I think you are straw clutching at the moment and who could blame you, you must think that Labour is doomed ( maybe they really are) they have been out of power for so long and it isn’t looking good for them

Whitewavemark2 Thu 13-May-21 13:31:36

lemongrove

A week in politics is a long time let alone three or four years.

That was very profound

GrannyGravy13 Thu 13-May-21 13:29:16

To have a Progressive Alliance politicians would have to put their egos to one side, unfortunately I cannot see that happening any time soon.

Until politicians of ALL parties put the electorate first and foremost nothing is going to change.

lemongrove Thu 13-May-21 13:25:25

A week in politics is a long time let alone three or four years.

Kali2 Thu 13-May-21 13:05:15

When Labour friends tell me that Starmer is the 'enemy' and not 'Johnson', I really despair.

And they do not seem to realise at all what the First Past the Post system means. And that is that divided Labour, and even a united Labour that refuses intelligent alliances, means that they hand over to Tories, again.

growstuff Thu 13-May-21 13:01:06

Whitewavemark2

growstuff I think the argument for a progressive alliance is growing stronger.

I think there's a strong argument, but I still can't see it happening.

growstuff Thu 13-May-21 13:00:24

Kali2

Whitewavemark2

growstuff I think the argument for a progressive alliance is growing stronger.

This- and first for labour to stop attacking each other rather than Tories.

It would be a start, wouldn't it? There's not much hope of Labour forming any kind of Progressive Alliance, if they can't even form an alliance within their own party.

growstuff Thu 13-May-21 12:58:41

Marvyn Rees won Round 1. The system meant that the top two in Round 1 had to have votes counted in a head-to-head.

Looking at the final results, the gap between Labour and the Green Party was about the same in Round 1 and 2.

Rees would have won in a FPTP contest anyway.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 13-May-21 12:56:06

Kali2

Whitewavemark2

growstuff I think the argument for a progressive alliance is growing stronger.

This- and first for labour to stop attacking each other rather than Tories.

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