Meanwhile, in Scotland....

Whatever your views on immigration surely noone can approve of a force which so misuses power sometimes with no legal backing whatsoever.

Triumph of hope over experience there, trisher?

lemongrove

Cruel money making machine?!!! Now I have heard it all.

Interesting that a non British making person makes a comment about the situation and you’re straight in there mocking them. Says it all really. No empathy whatsoever.

lemongrove has responded to a post and made no mention of the fact that it was made by a non British person MayBee.

I didn't see it as being anything other than it was, so why have you? Are we not allowed to comment on another poster's post if they're non British?

I wasn't entirely surprised that the community in Pollockshields were so keen to prevent these two men being deported.

It reminded me of the true story of the Glasgow Girls who successfully prevented their immigrant neighbour from deportation.

When you heard how English police rode roughshod over the Scottish police and their advice there could only be trouble. We will never be able to work as equals while Parliament is for both the English and the UK; it can't work and doesn't work.

Just a bit of clarification on actually what happened with the detention of the two men. The detention was co-ordinated by the Home Office which is a WM, hence UK, organisation. The Police were called to maintain public order, not to assist in the detention as that is not part of their remit. There was no trouble; only peaceful protest.

Its not really fair to say that the English police rode roughshod over the Scottish police. But The Scottish Government have a different view from the current WM government about how immigration law should be implemented.

What’s wrong with ID cards? Unless you’ve got something to hide…? ?

Why do people keep saying that as though they've found some deep philosophical argument?

What's wrong with having a camera in your house with a direct link to the Police Station so they can see when you come in and out? Unless you've got something to hide?

What's wrong with having to have your curtains open all day and night for your neighbours and passing police cars to see in, so that everyone can see exactly what you are doing every minute of the day? Unless you have something to hide?

What's wrong with having an ID card identifying your name, age, address etc? Unless you have something to hide?

What's wrong with having a compulsory ID card that you have to carry everywhere with you so that the authorities can ask you to prove who you are if they don't like the look of you? Unless you have something to hide?

See where I'm going with this...?

What's wrong with having a compulsory ID card that you have to carry everywhere with you so that the authorities can ask you to prove who you are if they don't like the look of you? Unless you have something to hide?

Nothing.

Like I've said somewhere else.... jeezy peeps

Over my dead body.

If they dont like the look of you

Callistemon

^What's wrong with having a compulsory ID card that you have to carry everywhere with you so that the authorities can ask you to prove who you are if they don't like the look of you? Unless you have something to hide?^

Nothing.

1. The people you want to catch will find a way to escape the intrusion. Terrorists and criminals will to be able to obtain them - by legal and illegal means.
2. Their creation wouldn't justify the cost.
3. An ID card system will lead to a slippery slope of surveillance and monitoring of citizens.
4. A national ID card system would require the creation of a database of all citizens.
5. ID cards would function as internal passports that would allow the government to monitor citizens' movements.
6. ID cards would foster new forms of discrimination and harassment.

That is at least some of what is wrong with them - I am staggered that people take their own democratic rights so lightly. I know people on here don't care if others democratic rights are abused but you would think they would care about their own.

-I know people on here- I know some people on here

But PippaZ - they have nothing to hide ?

What happens if the authorities decide to take away your ID because you have done something to displease them?

Alegrias1

Just a bit of clarification on actually what happened with the detention of the two men. The detention was co-ordinated by the Home Office which is a WM, hence UK, organisation. The Police were called to maintain public order, not to assist in the detention as that is not part of their remit. There was no trouble; only peaceful protest.

Its not really fair to say that the English police rode roughshod over the Scottish police. But The Scottish Government have a different view from the current WM government about how immigration law should be implemented.

Yes, this is what I had heard too.Also that the two men had gone into the van with the home office officials compliantly.

Nobody called them ‘scroungers’ or that they didn’t have jobs, but even if they have lived here for years, they are here when they shouldn’t be because they didn’t arrive in the UK to live here permanently, but ended up living under the radar perhaps. They may be allowed to stay or not, but that’s up to the home office.
There was no ‘dawn raid’ ( it was 9.30) it may have been a religious day for Muslim neighbours ( but they are Hindu) and there was no ‘being dragged out of the house’ they went quietly.

I am in two minds about ID cards, but could see they may be useful.Since many countries do ask their citizens to either carry them or produce them when requested ( a bit like the police here can do with driving licenses) then how does that work for them? Since quite a few GNers do live abroad, perhaps they could give their thoughts on it?

Galaxy

If they dont like the look of you

That would be me then.
I am always a person of suspicion at an airport.

lemongrove

Alegrias1

Just a bit of clarification on actually what happened with the detention of the two men. The detention was co-ordinated by the Home Office which is a WM, hence UK, organisation. The Police were called to maintain public order, not to assist in the detention as that is not part of their remit. There was no trouble; only peaceful protest.

Its not really fair to say that the English police rode roughshod over the Scottish police. But The Scottish Government have a different view from the current WM government about how immigration law should be implemented.

Yes, this is what I had heard too.Also that the two men had gone into the van with the home office officials compliantly.

Nobody called them ‘scroungers’ or that they didn’t have jobs, but even if they have lived here for years, they are here when they shouldn’t be because they didn’t arrive in the UK to live here permanently, but ended up living under the radar perhaps. They may be allowed to stay or not, but that’s up to the home office.
There was no ‘dawn raid’ ( it was 9.30) it may have been a religious day for Muslim neighbours ( but they are Hindu) and there was no ‘being dragged out of the house’ they went quietly.

They came here legally. They had visas that have expired but have not been able to get anywhere in getting that sorted out, partially because of the pandemic.

They're Sikhs.

lemongrove

I am in two minds about ID cards, but could see they may be useful.Since many countries do ask their citizens to either carry them or produce them when requested ( a bit like the police here can do with driving licenses) then how does that work for them? Since quite a few GNers do live abroad, perhaps they could give their thoughts on it?

An ID card is not like a driving licence. The Police would have some trouble asking my mum, for instance, for her driving licence. Lots of GN'ers living overseas have already given their views abut ID cards. They are entitled to those views.

But still, over my dead body.

I didn’t say ID cards were like driving licenses, but that police had a right to see them.I haven’t seen any views on ID cards from anyone who lives abroad, so will scroll back a bit to see them.
Overall, I have no real qualms about having to have one.

Qualms about having them? PippaZ, 14:15. That's why they're a bad idea.

Still haven't seen why we should have them anyway, except to let the police hassle people they don't like the look of.

If they are blaming Covid for not being able to get things sorted out ( they have overstayed by years then, according to other posts) then that would be taken into consideration when looking at their case.) We know very little about it, but the Home Office does.

You don’t seem to have any time for the Police Aleg there is more to policing than ‘hassling people’ and it’s curious that a mature person has this view of them.Or are you a teenager??