Gransnet forums

News & politics

Royalist is our post-Brexit religion

(110 Posts)
Blossoming Fri 21-May-21 11:19:25

Other viewpoints are available.

inews.co.uk/opinion/meghan-harry-mental-health-series-vicious-response-royalism-post-brexit-religion-1007433

MayBee70 Fri 21-May-21 21:52:23

If we had an elected head of state might we not (heaven forbid) end up with someone like Farage?

Witzend Fri 21-May-21 22:07:38

Whenever I’ve gone through Republican moments I’ve been cured by thinking of Tony Blair as President, with Cherie as First Lady.

M0nica Fri 21-May-21 22:18:04

She assumes that Royalist means Tory politics means voting for Brexit. Where is the evidence for these? I know Conservative voters who voted to remain in the EU and Royalists who do not vote Conservative. In fact I suspect that the Queen's most enthusiastic voters do not, or rather did not vote Conservative.

Equally not being a republican does not mean being a Royalist, within her definition of Royalism.

I used to be a great admirer of Yasmin Alabi (?) Brown, but in the last couple of years she has lost her sense of balance and ability to look at the wider view. It is sad to see a writer you much admired start to decline.

MayBee70 Fri 21-May-21 23:43:12

I just think that if we hadn’t had royal families we wouldn’t have castles and stately homes and lovely National trust properties to visit.

GrannyRose15 Fri 21-May-21 23:59:38

Alegrias1

Hope springs eternal Grany. One day!

Well you won't need to worry will you, or is an independent Scotland going to adopt a monarch?

GrannyRose15 Sat 22-May-21 00:02:41

Witzend

Whenever I’ve gone through Republican moments I’ve been cured by thinking of Tony Blair as President, with Cherie as First Lady.

Thanks exactly what I think of too.

However much we say it won't be the case, the only choice for president will be a has-been politician.

Britain unfortunately does not have any statemen to take on the role.

GrannyRose15 Sat 22-May-21 00:06:24

A president would have to be political neutral unlike the monarchy who has a veto on our laws.

I think you have this the wrong way round.

nanna8 Sat 22-May-21 05:26:02

Would a prime minister be a separate entity from a president or one and the same? The French Rev lot had the right idea but you can’t do things like that these days.

Alegrias1 Sat 22-May-21 08:22:56

GrannyRose15

An independent Scotland would still have the Queen as head of state. She's our Queen too. You know, like Australia, Canada....

The complete lack of understanding of constitutional matters on here is quite worrying.

Nana3 Sat 22-May-21 08:27:15

The Princes walking behind the coffin, not the saddest thing, but I remember thinking at the time how wrong it was.

Peasblossom Sat 22-May-21 08:45:03

Somebody please tell me what Brexit has to do with religion. and the Monarchy.
Why would leaving the EU prompt someone to change their religion?
It’s the weirdest juxtaposition ?

Alegrias1 Sat 22-May-21 08:48:19

It's an analogy. It's not literal.

TerriBull Sat 22-May-21 08:51:26

Gannygangan

When I was young I didn't care about the Royals. No interest at all. Most of my peers would have felt the same.

However, now I'm getting on a bit I'm quite happy to have a monarchy.

The young are starting to see what the reality is and things are changing.

Just what I would have said in my late teens, early 20s, Alegrias1

That's exactly how I felt Gannygangan, I had no interest in the royal family whatsoever growing up and beyond that. Whilst I wouldn't call myself an ardent royalist now, I feel quietly supportive of a slimmed down royal family.

Alegrias1 Sat 22-May-21 08:52:58

Trends people, trends.....

Lin52 Sat 22-May-21 08:57:21

Blossoming

Other viewpoints are available.

inews.co.uk/opinion/meghan-harry-mental-health-series-vicious-response-royalism-post-brexit-religion-1007433

Might be her, no surprise, she dislike much about this country, including the Royal Family, view, give no credence to anything she writes.
What about the Family he is maligning, what about their mental health, with no outlet to reply publicly.

Peasblossom Sat 22-May-21 08:59:24

Nope, still don’t get the analogy.

Take a couple of minutes to help me out?

Alegrias1 Sat 22-May-21 08:59:52

After breakfast wink

Peasblossom Sat 22-May-21 09:01:02

I mean, I get Monarchy is the new religion thing.

But Brexit?

GrannyGravy13 Sat 22-May-21 09:01:13

Yasmin who vowed to leave the UK for good if Boris Johnson won the election, he did and she is still here?

I did quiet enjoy her articles / interviews but she seems to have lost all perspective of late.

MaizieD Sat 22-May-21 09:04:21

Peasblossom

Somebody please tell me what Brexit has to do with religion. and the Monarchy.
Why would leaving the EU prompt someone to change their religion?
It’s the weirdest juxtaposition ?

I think that talking about 'post Brexit Britain' is a rhetorical device (if you can apply that term to the written word). It has no meaning apart from placing her comments into a time context and isn't really worth subjecting to deep analysis ?

Alegrias1 Sat 22-May-21 09:08:36

Peasblossom

I mean, I get Monarchy is the new religion thing.

But Brexit?

She just says this is what life is like in Britain today. A Britain that voted for Brexit and is run by Tories. The word "Brexit" appears once.

Those who are a bit touchy about Brexit and Tories being blamed for everything might see that as more than she intended, I think. I don't mean you Peasblossom

Peasblossom Sat 22-May-21 09:08:39

No, probably not. It just keeps itching at me.

Alegrias1 Sat 22-May-21 09:09:19

MaizieD said it much better than me!

Grany Sat 22-May-21 09:29:19

Our president would have limited terms of office and represent the people. The PM would be in government Unlike queen who with queen's consent has a veto on over 1000 laws including thoses that affect her own private interests plus her layer stopped a transparency law allowing the public to see her wealth. She also lobbies ministers so does Charles on a regular basis.

The monarchy is broke can't be fixed. The monarchy is corrupt in public office for private gain. Secretive, above the law unaccountable. The RF spend public money every day of every week on their own interests hobbies leasure time.

The monarchy gives the government too much power with no checks or balances and stops any reforms, The H o S is useless and pointless. So RF are there to spend public money do not work for our constitution they are celebrities there for their own benefit not ours, a waste of space.

On YouTube there are 1 minute shorts videos from Republic Campaign

Plus there are lots of talented intelligent honest people to chose from who could become our president.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 22-May-21 09:38:11

Plus there are lots of talented intelligent honest people to choose from who could become our President

Really Grany ?

The applicants would have to be financially comfortable to run a Presidential campaign, and be in a profession / job which would enable them to have 4/5 year garden leave. Which probably rules out a high proportion of the general public leaving only the wealthy and privileged to apply.

Might as well stick with the wealthy and privileged family we have.