Political implications of Johnson's Catholicisim

How can a wedding in the largest Catholic Church (cathedral?) in the country be regarded as small? I bet there will still be a huge part next year (if we’re not in lockdown again....). Interesting that the news was leaked first to the Telegraph and the Sun.

MayBee70

How can a wedding in the largest Catholic Church (cathedral?) in the country be regarded as small? I bet there will still be a huge part next year (if we’re not in lockdown again....). Interesting that the news was leaked first to the Telegraph and the Sun.

Numbers attending = small

A small private wedding with no harassment from the press pack was the correct thing to do as we come to the end of 14 months of various degrees of lockdowns.

I'm deeply relieved that he had a small private wedding as I was dreading all the fuss next year when they were supposedly planning to get married, but I'm curious as to why they suddenly decided to get married now.

Pregnant again ???

I think his children are not too bothered about not being recognised by the Catholic Church - if it did not mean that he and his 3rd wife don't recognise them either.

Septimus?

Kali thank you for taking the time to enlighten me, but there was really no need to have wasted your energy. I am more than au fait with the Rite of Baptism and the Sacraments of the Church.
May I ask from where you sourced your information?

As Parish sacristan for more than thirty years, involved in many Baptisms, trainer of altar servers, class teacher of many First Communion and Confirmation classes in a Roman Catholic School, holder of a Post Grad certificate in Catholic Religious Education and Bishop's approval to teach in a Roman Catholic school, etc. etc, I have a basic idea of how things work.

As long as one godparent has been baptized a Catholic, the other can be a Christian Witness, (the term recorded on the certificate), with both names recorded on the baptismal certificate and parish register. Also both godparents, Catholic and Christian stand with the parents and priest at the font.
Perhaps things are different in Switzerland, where I think you live.
By the way, you forgot to mention that we also renew our baptismal vows at Confirmation.

Marydoll
Is it universal that a child can choose a sponsor at confirmation who may be a different person from the godparents?
This is what DGS did but I'm not sure if that is a tradition of the church?

Bodach

"The point is if he isn't a Catholic then his previous marriages count as do the divorces, so it seems he must be saying he is a Catholic and those marriages and divorces don't prevent him marrying in a Catholic church. If he wasn't a Catholic then he would have to have the previous marriages annulled, which of course he might have. I believe it is easier to do than it used to be."
Dear 'theworriedwell', I think you (and several others) are missing the point. Since neither of Boris's previous marriages took place in a Catholic church, then - so far as the Catholic Church authorities are concerned - these marriages had no religious standing whatsoever, and did not therefore need to be annulled. The only information currently in the public domain is that Boris was born and initially raised a Catholic, but was subsequently confirmed into the CofE at school. Now, he may still be CofE; he may have rejoined the Catholic church; or he may even have finally seen the light and come over to the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland (unlikely, in this context at least) - we simply don't know (and why should we?) But, as I understand it, all he (or anyone else) had to do to get married to a Catholic lady in a Catholic church was to agree that any children would be raised in the Catholic faith.

If he was a Catholic the other marriages are not recognised. If he wasn't a Catholic they are. I think you are the one missing the point.

Yes Callistemon, the sponsor at Confirmation does not need to be the godparent. There are a few stipulations.

You must choose your sponsor, and your sponsor must be willing to help you lead a Christian life in harmony with your baptism call and fulfill the obligations connected with it.

Your sponsor must be at least sixteen years of age.

Your sponsor must be Roman Catholic, baptized and confirmed, and have received First Communion.

Your sponsor must be practising his/her faith, that is, a faithful Catholic who attends Sunday Mass on a regular basis.

If married, they must be married according to the regulations of the Catholic faith

Your sponsor must be someone besides your parents. The church prefers that the godparents at baptism serve again as the sponsor at confirmation. You may choose
as your sponsor, your brother, sister, godfather, godmother, aunt, uncle, cousin, friend, neighbour who meets these requirements.
Your parents, step-parents,
foster parents, or guardians may NOT act as sponsors.

Marydoll

Kali thank you for taking the time to enlighten me, but there was really no need to have wasted your energy. I am more than au fait with the Rite of Baptism and the Sacraments of the Church.
May I ask from where you sourced your information?

As Parish sacristan for more than thirty years, involved in many Baptisms, trainer of altar servers, class teacher of many First Communion and Confirmation classes in a Roman Catholic School, holder of a Post Grad certificate in Catholic Religious Education and Bishop's approval to teach in a Roman Catholic school, etc. etc, I have a basic idea of how things work.

As long as one godparent has been baptized a Catholic, the other can be a Christian Witness, (the term recorded on the certificate), with both names recorded on the baptismal certificate and parish register. Also both godparents, Catholic and Christian stand with the parents and priest at the font.
Perhaps things are different in Switzerland, where I think you live.
By the way, you forgot to mention that we also renew our baptismal vows at Confirmation.

Yes, two of my children had a Catholic godparent and a CofE Godparent (Christian Witness) it is absolutely OK and two different priests were involved and both agreed that was the teaching.

Thanks Marydoll
I think my DGS chose well, although his godparents are all wonderful too, his sponsor adds another dimension.

Marydoll, verbatim from the Catholic Guide.

Theworriedwell, that is wonderful and I am so happy for you that you found an enlightened Priest. The truth is, that is rarely the case.

Actually Kali, standard in our Diocese! Our former PP was Vicar General of the Diocese, I must alert him to the fact, he has being doing things the wrong way!

www.catholicsandcultures.org/practices-values

I think that to survive, religions do have to adapt.

Of course religions have to adapt to survive! Catholicism certainly has to.

This I would certainly agree. But I am afraid this is still very rare. Vicar General = not Catholic ?!?

Kali2

This I would certainly agree. But I am afraid this is still very rare. Vicar General = not Catholic ?!?

Yes, Catholic.

Equivalent to Archdeacon.

At one time teachers in Catholic schools all had to be of the RC faith but this is not the case now, at least not in some countries.

Kali2

This I would certainly agree. But I am afraid this is still very rare. Vicar General = not Catholic ?!?

Anglican too.
Wasn't Thomas Cromwell Vicar General?

But I would always think of a Vicar General as being of the RC faith.

Whitewavemark2

I am so glad that I am a humanist when I read all this nonsense.

Me too WW. All this man made construct. How many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Kali: A vicar general (previously, archdeacon) is the principal deputy of the bishop of a diocese for the exercise of administrative authority and possesses the title of local ordinary. ... The title normally occurs only in Western Christian churches, such as the Latin Church of the Catholic Church and the Anglican Communion.

Kali, you gave me the impression that you were very knowledgeable about Catholicism, I have obviously got that wrong.
I shall leave you to have the last word, I'm sure you will! ?

Kali2

Marydoll, verbatim from the Catholic Guide.

Theworriedwell, that is wonderful and I am so happy for you that you found an enlightened Priest. The truth is, that is rarely the case.

It isn't rare, I know lots of cases.

theworriedwell

Kali2

Marydoll, verbatim from the Catholic Guide.

Theworriedwell, that is wonderful and I am so happy for you that you found an enlightened Priest. The truth is, that is rarely the case.

It isn't rare, I know lots of cases.

Me too, theworriedwell!! There are many enlightened priests in our Diocese, that ethos come from our enlightened Bishop.

Such a very intetesting discussion , puzzling and contradicting

Umm, Thomas Cromwell, Vicar General, was Catholic.

He would have been hard pressed to be Anglican!