Political implications of Johnson's Catholicisim

Please, do go back to history books- they are still very relevant today.

Unless you live in a country were both are very strongly linked.

Which we, in the UK, don't.

It does not mean that the CofE is still very much the official Church of England (it's in the name somehow)- denying this is, as said before, nonsensical
Does not mean what?

I don’t get this, I’m afraid. And with all due respect there does seem to be confusion in the OP and many subsequent posts about the role of the church - any church- in the politics of this country.
The Church of England is the established church (not “official”) just as the Scottish Presbyterian Church or Church of Scotland to give it its official title is in Scotland. But even allowing for devolution, the PM is still PM in Scotland. so there is no political significance in the religion or not of the Prime Minister.

BTW, I have had the most brilliant of days- so will leave you to it for now.

Let's imagine that someone is elected PM as a CofE- and he then later converts to Islam? Now that would not bother me personally at all- but I think it would bother a great many. And not just on GN.

As asked before, I wonder how those in the DUP feel about it- especially in the current situation. Although I have very little sympathy or empathy for their views... but?!?

It does not mean that the CofE is still very much the official Church of England (it's in the name somehow)- denying this is, as said before, nonsensical.

Calli, if posters question the right of one poster to discuss anything to do with the UK- then it is a form of harassment, bordering on bullying. Happening on several threads, with al sorts of assumptions made. Totally OOO.

Perhaps you missed Avalon’s helpful explanation of why nobody needs to obsess about Henry VIII, Mary Tudor, Good Queen Bess or even the Lord Protector, Oliver Cromwell .

In 2008 Gordon Brown, Labour PM, amended the constitutional link between the Church of England and the government executive. The Prime Minister and other ministers no longer advise the Crown. The Crown Nomination Commision submit the names of their preferred candidate and the second appointable candidate to the PM who is constitutionally responsible for passing that advice to the Queen

“See it, say it, sorted.”

There are no personal attacks on the OP or anyone that I have seen - just very robust discussion and refuting of falsehoods.

I did say way back that I blame Henry VIII but the discussion continues.
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Not guilty of personal attacks on OP
Not missing any points

Chewbacca

MawBe

If, instead of religious denominations, ethnic origin were the issue, much of what I am reading on this thread would have long since been deleted for racism.

I 100% agree with you Maw. I'm appalled at the relentless religious bigotry displayed by the OP in this thread. The offence it's caused to Catholic posters is palpable.

You and MawBe have totally missed the point here.

100%. I am not religious- many of our family and close friends are, and I respect their faith. And because I respect them, despite being a humanist, not religious at all, I hate to see their faith distorted, abused or, in this case, totally misused for personal gain. But this thread is not even about that- but a discussion on the very strong historical link between the CofE since Henry VIII (now there was one who knew how to distort, manipulate, lie and take over huge riches and masses of lands btw- I would be very happy to question the sincerity of his faith)...and the British Crown and State.

Denying this would be quite simply nonsensical.

No racism and bigotry here- but again, personal attacks of the OP, which is not acceptable on GN.

Unlike in the U.K. where sectarianism rarely features except sadly perhaps in NI but one hopes those dark days are receding.
I sincerely hope you are not insinuating otherwise?
When I was in my teens I used to visit my German grandparents who had moved in the early 60’s from Berlin to a little place near Osnabrück in W Germany.
I was bemused to find there was both a “katholische” milkman/dairy and an “evangelische” equivalent and I had committed the heinous offence of just going to the nearest one in the Bahnhofstraße
So not an issue in anywhere I have lived in Scotland or England.
Perhaps your experience Kali2 has been otherwise?

MerylStreep

Kali2
Good grief, your not content with dictating how we should conduct our affairs in this country: now you’ve turned your sights on the USA. I bet that’s going down well on chat forums.

it was given as an example of political realities that are discriminatory and make no sense, No need to be American born or resident to see that.

Yet another very personal attack , which are definitely not allowed on GN.

timetogo2016

I agree Callistemon.
Plus religion has nothing to do with politics.

Unless you live in a country were both are very strongly linked.

Basically dogma is once a Catholic always a Catholic.

Catholicism can be renounced.
However, who would want to belong to a religion into which you are baptised as a baby by your parent(s) and without your consent?

Surely that is what confirmation is for? To confirm your beliefs at an age when you have had time to think and reflect, although it is often carried out well before the age of consent too.

One C of E vicar I came across did not believe anyone should be baptised before the age of 17 at least.

The same thought did cross my mind, Chewy.

I am half German too.... seems there are lots of us about.

Moreover Boris would have confessed his sins n a spirit of contrition.

And is there any evidence to say that he did not? Or are some of us privy to what is said in the confessional box?

pS i had anothr think about it and think I understand better. I wrote to the other thread about the possible reasoning of the Church.Basically dogma is once a Catholic always a Catholic. So Boris's previous marriages were not sanctified by Holy Church. So he had never been really married before. Moreover Boris would have confessed his sins n a spirit of contrition.

Callistemon, dogma is definitively dogmatic.

It is not illegal to decry religious dogma so Gransnet will not delete posts that disapprove of religious dogma.

Boris Johnson baptised catholic and cannot defect from church says canon law

I cannot understand how the Pope allowed it

That sounds rather like rigid dogma to me.

Galaxy

Sorry can I just check which nationalities are allowed an opinion. I am half German is that ok am I allowed to express my view.

My ancestors escaped from Catholic persecution but I'm not biased.

Racism is illegal so Gransnet admin would delete racist posts.

Religious affiliation is not illegal. It is not illegal to decry religious dogma so Gransnet will not delete posts that disapprove of religious dogma.

www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/boris-johnson-baptised-catholic-and-cannot-defect-from-church-says-canon-law-1.4579760

Tony Blair became RC when he left office . He attended mass with his catholic wife. Mr Blair's behaviour was the nearest to catholicism for a British PM. Boris's behaviour is something else. I cannot understand how the Pope allowed it.

MawBe

If, instead of religious denominations, ethnic origin were the issue, much of what I am reading on this thread would have long since been deleted for racism.

I 100% agree with you Maw. I'm appalled at the relentless religious bigotry displayed by the OP in this thread. The offence it's caused to Catholic posters is palpable.

MawBe

If, instead of religious denominations, ethnic origin were the issue, much of what I am reading on this thread would have long since been deleted for racism.

Agree Maw