Political implications of Johnson's Catholicisim

I dont think anyone is judging individuals we are just talking about the complexity of it. And certainly for me the links between state and the church. I am an atheist, I refused to marry in church because I just couldnt. Dh became a catholic during my marriage so it's of interest to me.

My son is not religious at all. However, he married in church because that was his wife's wish. Should he not have done that?

Discuss the topic, not the poster.

Do you sincerely believe that BJ has been suddenly taken over by the Catholic faith, in earnest and sincerity. Really?

I always respect anyone's sincere Faith- but despise those who use religion for their own selfish and hypocritical ends. And not just BJ.

My copied links where from official sites, including Catholic ones from UK. I have made it clear I am no expert.

You don't have to be an expert to see that with the very special role of the Anglican Church in the UK, a PM suddenly becoming a Catholic, and not for religious reasons- does have ramifications.

MerylStreep

Kali2
This is a genuine question. Living as you do in Switzerland, and not religious at all why are you so angry about something that has no relevance at all to your life?
Is all this just your ( bordering on the obsessional) hatred of Boris Johnson?
If so, your beginning to look ridiculous.

Pardon? If you do not want to discuss the issues, just ignore this thread. Your comment certainly is ... ridiculous.

Your Father being a Catholic, doesn't make you an expert Kali, but your lengthy quotes try to give the impression you are one and the rest of us don't know what we are talking about! ?
I'm certainly not an expert, far from it, but I can suss out when someone is posting inaccuracies and actually hasn't much of a clue about the present day Church.

I try to live my faith in the best way I can, it's not easy, as I'm not a very obviously holy person, who is certainly not into spending her knees praying all the time and saying look at me everyone!. My faith is private and it has taken a lot for me to post on here about it, but unfortunately I cannot read anymore nonsense and have been forced to respond to you!

As I get older, I question aspects of my faith on a daily basis, however, it is still the faith I have chosen to follow.
Furthermore, I heartily condem the heinious abuse perpetrated in the Catholic Church in the past. To that end, for the last twenty years, I have been heavily involved in Safeguarding procedures and practice , also training and advising clergy and parishoners. The Church is Scotland is no longer trying to cover up. A little late, but at least they are trying.

I can't redress the sins of the past, but I can do what I can to raise awareness of safeguarding, put practices in place and try ensure it doesn't happen again in my own Diocese.

I suspect your musings have nothing to do with Catholicism, but more to do with your dislike of BJ.

Posted too soon.

There are many thousands from which to choose; it's a case of finding one which she feels is compatible with her beliefs.
The C of E allows marriages of divorced people in church.

Forgiveness is not ours to grant, but God's.
Matt. 6:14 “For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
Matt. 6:15 “But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.

UK - approximately 3.8 million Roman Catholics
Worldwide - 1.2 billion Roman Catholics

Will your best friend join another branch of the Christian church, now, Kali2?

Kali, you are right that only the Anglican bishops have a place in the House of Lords as of right, they are the lords spiritual; but there are several lords who represent other faiths, eg former chief rabbi, cardinals, and other religions.
the house of lords is long overdue for reform, agreed by most parties, and to take away the hereditary remnant of it.
they just can't agree exactly how, what.
at which point i would expect this element to be looked at too.

Kali2
This is a genuine question. Living as you do in Switzerland, and not religious at all why are you so angry about something that has no relevance at all to your life?
Is all this just your ( bordering on the obsessional) hatred of Boris Johnson?
If so, your beginning to look ridiculous.

I think the last straw would have been long before this for me!

But people may have different ideas from me about what is acceptable.

Callistemon - Kali said it was the last straw - not the main reason!

Callistemon totally agree, I find totally hypocritical!

And it is clear that for very many, this was the last straw, in many ways. My best friend just said to me 'that's it- just can't do this anymore'. And she is not the only one.

Goodness - so she and others were prepared to overlook child sexual abuse, the orphanages run by Catholic Christian Brothers, by nuns, the disappearance of indigenous children taken and put in the care of Catholic nuns and priests, babies removed from their mothers, the Magdalene Laundries etc but this marriage has caused her and others to lose faith in the Catholic Church?

Words (nearly) fail me!

Oh too right, welbeck ! That is why I usually steer clear of politics or religion on GN. However, I was becoming seriously irritated by the pontificating and suggestion that I was misinformed about my faith! To be honest, BJ is of little importance to me, unless his behaviour actually impacts on the running of the country, negatively or positively! I have no interest in his private life.

As the supreme governor, the monarch formally appoints high-ranking members of the church on the advice of the prime minister of the United Kingdom, who is in turn advised by church leaders,[1] such as the Lords Spiritual.

But surely that does not mean that the PM has to have an in-depth knowledge of the C of E? Church leaders would advise him and he or she in turn then advises the Supreme Governor who is more than capable of saying whether or not she or he approves.

It's just a formality.

Marydoll

*Kali*, are you speaking as someone who is a practising Catholic and very knowledgeable about the Catholic faith, or someone who has trawled the internet for information. I, for one, was perplexed at some of the inaccuracies in your posts. ?

As someone who father was a Catholic, who suffered terribly because he fell in love with a divorced Protestant.

I am not religious, at all- but I am aware of British history and/of politics, and the close link to the Anglican Church- and the fact Anglicans are the only ones represented in the Lords, etc. So yes, I do rely on information from the internet, from official sites, to gain knowledge.

We have never had a Catholic pm, for very important historical reasons, and the State and Anglican Church do still have a very official and strong link which has never been broken.

For me, it is all nonsense actually. But I feel that if you are a Catholic, you should live by it and follow its principles. Wanting it both ways smacks me as being very hypocritical and worse. And the Catholic Church should not allow him his stupid and hypocritical games, lest it be damaged by it.

And it is clear that for very many, this was the last straw, in many ways. My best friend just said to me 'that's it- just can't do this anymore'. And she is not the only one.

Kali2

What about Godparents at the Christening- who were they, and were they all Catholics (as they would have had to make a promise to bring the child up in the Faith).

the faith referred to is the christian faith, not specifically catholic, so godparents do not have to be catholic.
as Marydoll has stated. and she should know.

now we know why wise hostesses steer conversation away from religion and/or politics !

Sorry, that was an uninformed assumption on my part.

And after I posted I wondered about atheists!

Disraeli was Anglican.
i believe his father or grandfather had joined the church.

but i agree with your general point.
i think Kali has missed upthread where someone pointed out that the role of the PM to advise the monarch on church appts was removed in 2008.
since 2013 royals inc the monarch, may marry a catholic.

It's seriously amazing to me that anybody cares what religion our PM is. Wasn't Disraeli Jewish? What would happen if Sunak became PM?

Kali2 we get that you do not like Boris Johnson or anything that he does/says, but on this occasion Marydoll and others on this thread are correct.

Kali, are you speaking as someone who is a practising Catholic and very knowledgeable about the Catholic faith, or someone who has trawled the internet for information. I, for one, was perplexed at some of the inaccuracies in your posts. ?

Fact is, that we hve never ever had a Catholic Prime Minister. And it does set a precedent, especially as, as PM, he has a very stong rôle to play:

''The supreme governor of the Church of England is the titular head of the Church of England, a position which is vested in the British monarch.[1] Although the monarch's authority over the Church of England is largely ceremonial and is mostly observed in a symbolic capacity, the position is still very relevant to the church. As the supreme governor, the monarch formally appoints high-ranking members of the church on the advice of the prime minister of the United Kingdom, who is in turn advised by church leaders,[1] such as the Lords
Spiritual. ''

How is the PM going to continue to do this now?

How many Catholic Lords do with have in the House of Lords?