Who gives a t*ss?

Lemongrove, absolutely agree.

M0nica

But GillT57 the problem is that there isn't a viable alternative.

...and there may not be a viable alternative until the GE after the next one, that’s how long it could take. Johnson, like him or loathe him is in for the long haul.

M0nica

But GillT57 the problem is that there isn't a viable alternative.

I agree, and I am sore disappointed. This government is handing it on a plate to the opposition, they just don't care what anyone thinks (as AC says). I keep hoping that Starmer is keeping his powder dry during the covid19 crisis and will then go on the attack, but meanwhile I sit and watch the moral decay of this country, aided and abetted by people who just Don't Give a Toss. Every time something happens or is uncovered, I think 'oh this is it, this will finish them', but it doesn't.

But GillT57 the problem is that there isn't a viable alternative.

Thankyou GillT but i too venomously blame the likes of AC for the state we are in and therefore i am labelled as not giving a toss.
Because those we trusted to lead and make things a better way put their heads in the trough and showed they were no better.
I used to hate it when people said they were all the same but they showed they were.
It is horrible feeling let down. But we musn't blame them. It won't be long before Michael Gove is saying we have to move on from covid it wasn't their doing etc.
My employers voted for BoJo - intelligent people who knew enough of the man to see what he is then when Starmer was made leader they said lets see how he will do things may pick up.
I felt like screaming at them How? What state will we be in by the next election. But instead i just looked as if to say WTF are you on about and an awkward silence filled the rest of the day. They know.

Maybe the expanding system of regional mayors may help us move forward?

^Suddenly, people who I assume aren't LP supporters, are saying how awful the current govt is?;

Without specifically demanding to know exactly how posters vote in general elections, I'm afraid "assuming" is all you can do dinahmo. And you know what they say about assume.

But Whatsayisit you obviously Do Give a Toss, as is demonstrated in your eloquent, if a little exasperated post above. I feel much the same way as you do, I am politically homeless, loathe this current corrupt administration and really cannot understand how otherwise rational and kind people find them acceptable, I despair of the LP sorting their sh*t out as my DD would say, you and I Do Give a Toss!! This is the point of the AC article, the meaning of which has been buried by the venom launched at him, perhaps by people who find it easier to attach AC than to admit that they have created a monster, an unstoppable monster by electing this ghastly government.

Ok i have reread AC's article. I have been pondering. I wasn't going to come back but i have and i will try not to rant.

I have never and will never vote Conservative. I despise this Government. I cannot see which one of them will stab BoJo in the back to get his job.
I am angry with the Labour Party.
I am angry at the results of the recent local elections. But they show that the majority are happy with that.
Covid has massively affected myself and my family in so many ways i am too exhausted to think about it - as it has so many others. It has also affected my brain which is a lot mushier and forgetful than it was before i had covid!

But I haven't had the energy to be angry constantly if that is the way to prove i give a toss. I haven't a platform to rant like AC. I sign petitions that i care about when i get sent them.
I have written to my new Tory MP 5 times now since he ousted the Labour MP and he has replied extensively every time. The last Labour MP never replied.
I have written to him about Dominic Cummings lockdown day trip. Banning the import of the goods from Trophy Hunting. The Government not caring about the elderly or carers. Lack of funding to schools for catchup and the letting in the Delta strain.
The Government were voted in with a majority. Yes i am angry and despairing there is little i can do but write to my MP which is part of the democratic process.
I don't know what AC wants us to do other than get angry.

The Labour Party are out of touch. Keir Starmer showed that with his recent reshuffle 'sacking Angela Rayner.
I thought Jess Phillips spoke eloquently about the MET police clashing with the women holding the vigil recently.

I emailed Andy Burnham to thank him for standing up to BoJo when the Labour Party were silent.
I congratulated AB on his landslide election result which he so deserved.
I voted for Tracey Brabin.
I wrote a thankyou note to Marcus Rashford for his amazing work for children.
I have tried to be a good citizen helped anyone i could with shopping etc. We are all in this together.

Dinahmo

Peasblossom It would seem that you would like an alternative to the present govt. So, what would you like to see?

I’d like a Labour Government. But one that listens to what people are saying and respects them.

I actually agreed with much of the Momentum Manifesto, especially in regard to public services. I’m more than happy to pay extra tax to get closer to the kind of country I’d like to live in.

But, frankly, the attitude of those who seem to control the Labour Party terrifies me. The intolerance and prejudice towards anyone that doesn’t bow down to them. The persecution of groups whose ethnicity doesn’t “fit”.
At the last election Jewish communities were so frightened at what might happen if Labour came to power that they made plans to leave.

I have no faith that Keir Starmer or any other leader would be able to control the extremists.

Until Labour becomes a party that could form a just Government for all the people of this country I can’t vote for them. If the choice is cronyism and corruption or intolerance and persecution, I choose the former.

The inability of posters on these threads to admit any viewpoint but their own, to desire only to win the argument by any means rather than listen and consider and the contempt in which they hold other people only reinforces my belief that a Labour Government, at present, would be a thing to fear.

At the moment the Labour Party is a party for the few who share a particular stance. It won’t gain power until it is a party for the many who believe it will represent and work for them.

The pigeons I can cope with, it’s the blasted seagulls when the sea is choppy that invade our garden !!!!

Unfirtunately my last spare cat has been thrown. I will bear your offer in mind should anymore stray my way

May I divert some pigeons your way if you have a spare cat on pigeon patrol. Ours are exceedingly fat and ... sort of weird in their lack of fear.

I have always said this government is dreadful. In fact going back to when GN started I have always made my distaste for both major national parties very explicit. I have never voted for either of them, although I have several times come close to voting Labour, but somehow could never quite get over the threshold.

I used to be on political threads quite a lot but they are now generally so boring and repetitive and conversations between people who agree with each other, I do not often bother these days, just now and again when I have a spare cat lying around and the pigeons are driving me to despair.

I think it may be, Dinahmo. I am finding it very confusing although I am pleased they have seen the light.

Suddenly, people who I assume aren't LP supporters, are saying how awful the current govt is? Is this a new thing? Can't say as I've noticed it on previous threads.

Monica unfortunately your post is 100% accurate, if only Labour and it’s supporters could understand.

No, Pippa that paragraph is completely consistent with what I wrote in my second post.

Let me try and spell it out in words of, if not one syllable, as close as I can manage.

The Conservatives are in power, warts, and all, because the current mood in the country is 'anything but Labour'. Until the Labour party takes that on board and acts on it, they are toast.

You have only to look at how awful the current government is to realise just how much Labour is disliked and despised.

Monica two excellent posts

09.43 Good post M0nica. I wish I’d written your second paragraph myself. It expresses a realistic view for many people for a long time.

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M0nica

PippaZ you are a classic example of what I am complaining about. I am not talking about you I am talking about labour MPs and party aparatchiks.

If you think I do not want this government gone, I am not sure what you are reading into my posts. Most people want this government gone. The reason it is still in place is because the majority of people think that their plight would be even worse if they had a Labour government.

This is not a discussion about whether that impression is right or wrong. It is the fact that that this is most voters impression and what the Labour party need to address is why people would rather have Boris, the Conservative party and corruption in power rather than have a Labour government.

All I remember from your previous post is:

Of course those who are deeply committed to the opposition party will rant and rave and try to present themselves as white knights who were cheated out of their rights to kill the dragon and win the beautiful Princess Power and will accuse the winners of being villains, which of course they are

You sank your own argument.

PippaZ you are a classic example of what I am complaining about. I am not talking about you I am talking about labour MPs and party aparatchiks.

If you think I do not want this government gone, I am not sure what you are reading into my posts. Most people want this government gone. The reason it is still in place is because the majority of people think that their plight would be even worse if they had a Labour government.

This is not a discussion about whether that impression is right or wrong. It is the fact that that this is most voters impression and what the Labour party need to address is why people would rather have Boris, the Conservative party and corruption in power rather than have a Labour government.

Peasblossom It would seem that you would like an alternative to the present govt. So, what would you like to see?

Yes, thank you Monica. It’s what I’ve been trying to say. I don’t understand the reluctance to listen to those who were Labour supporters and are now the lost vote.

I don’t see any possibility of a change of Government until we have an alternative that we want.

Brilliant post @ 09.43 M0nica; perfectly articulated how so many of us feel.