Brexit, Polls have turned, not just one, but all of them, but one

There are those grumbling that this isn't the Brexit they voted for. The rest of us can tell them that this is the Brexit we voted against. It's all a hideous and utterly foreseeable disaster.

Gillycats

We voted out, we’re out. Why do people still keep on about it? I didn’t like many election results but I accepted the outcome. We will be better off in the long term, we’re already signing up to new trade deals. And let’s not forget that had we still been a member we wouldn’t be so far ahead in the Covid vaccinations.

Groundhog Day.

Does nobody read the posts that come before?

BTW - you get another election in about 4 years, you get to change your mind.

Here you are, but I’m sure EU lovers will dismiss this.
www.politico.eu/article/the-scandal-hanging-over-ursula-von-der-leyen/

All those “new trade deals” are mirrors (or worse) of the ones we had when part of the EU. This corrupt government has admitted the oven ready deal was half baked and are already reneging on it and blaming the EU for their own mistakes. Those who are saying it’all in the past are wrong -we are still unravelling the consequences and will be living with the social and economic damage for decades - so it’s right we keep it to the front of peoples minds.

Elections cone round every five years. When do we get another chance to vote on brexit?

What evidence do you have Gillycats that we will be better off in the long term.? All the evidence is that the short term and medium term and long term damage done to the UK by Brexit is devasting

It is nonsense to suggest that we have done better with vaccines because of Brexit. It has made no difference although the Tory supporting press likes to claim it does.

MaizieD

Lin52

MawBe

Just an un-elected civil servant
Like Ursula van der Leyen, if you add failed politician to the spec.

Also involved with evidence tampering when Defence minister for Germany. Such a paragon of virtue. Shoe horned in to post.

We could play 'whataboutery' all day.

Dido Harding springs to mind. Managed to lose £37 billion on rubbish TTT (down the back of her sofa, perhaps?) and now seemingly to be put in charge of the NHS...

She is trying her whataboutery, final decision yet to be made. Can’t even comment on a corrupt EU mouthpiece with out it being whataboutery, what about Harding, personally I do not want her in this post. Ok.

We voted out, we’re out. Why do people still keep on about it? I didn’t like many election results but I accepted the outcome. We will be better off in the long term, we’re already signing up to new trade deals. And let’s not forget that had we still been a member we wouldn’t be so far ahead in the Covid vaccinations.

surfsup

My hope is that we realise what a regressive step Brexit is and that we stop thinking we're the bees knees in this country..........

but openly wants Scotland to leave the UK!!!

openly?

I didn't know I was meant to be keeping it a secret...

Should we have a secret handshake, do you think?

MaizieD - I owe you a massive APLOGY - my comment was attempting to re-quote Lin52, and reply to MawBe.

The only tampering that was going on is with the Johnson Gang's alleged abilities - trying to consider themselves as being fit to hold office. We are still waiting to hear who has donated to the Tory Coffers and paid for the pathetic redecoration of the Downing Street flat.

I'd be obliged if someone was able to show the evidence of the "tampering" carried out by Mrs Von Der Leyen - unless its just the usual EU bashing by Brexit supporters to curry favour.

Lin52

MawBe

Just an un-elected civil servant
Like Ursula van der Leyen, if you add failed politician to the spec.

Also involved with evidence tampering when Defence minister for Germany. Such a paragon of virtue. Shoe horned in to post.

Ah - you mean like the Johnson Gang's law breaking in a specific and limited way?

They are despicable scoundrels of the highest order. Chancers one and all.

My hope is that we realise what a regressive step Brexit is and that we stop thinking we're the bees knees in this country..........

but openly wants Scotland to leave the UK!!!

MaizieD

^Any opinions?^

I haven't read the book, Alegrias, but to theorise that the government has used questionable tactics makes it sound as though the government had some kind of plan.

Running round like headless chickens and vacillating; which is how I see the government's handling of the pandemic, doesn't feel like any sort of a 'plan' to me.

I suspect it's for the tinfoil hat brigade...but I'd read it if someone lent it to me.

Ah - you mean like the Johnson Gang's law breaking in a specific and limited way?

Dinahmo

Nanof3

If the polls were done by the Evening Standard then I would guess that it was mostly Londoners who participated and most of the leave vote was London based, how many from Yorkshire and other leave areas were canvassed?

As for us taking part in the EU vaccination programme, we would still be waiting and last in the queue.

Evidence of being last in the queue?

The survey covering all the polls was done for teh Evening Standard, not the actual polls - they were done by You.gov.

My 70 year old sister one of the last in the queue, even her German friends were envious of our roll out, all down to pen pushing bureaucracy. Still waiting for her second vaccine. Both mine done as , apart from my youngest who gets hers on Wed, are all my family. Then the fiasco over the AZ, our contract written into English law, EU written into Belgian law,
www.politico.eu/article/the-key-differences-between-the-eu-and-uk-astrazeneca-contracts/.

Some days it's like Groundhog Day.

Too poor, too wee, too stupid.

Granny23 Don't hold your breath on the soon bit of rejoining the EU. At least 14 years anticipated before Scotland's budget would come up to scratch for joining purposes and that was before Covid depleted funds even further. And of course there is the Catalonia issue.

I haven't read it either MaizieD but I know that she talks about the "don't kill granny" messages, and the "Look them in the eyes" ads. Along with that disgraceful tour of a mortuary on ITV News.

I might get a sample on Kindle and see what its like.

Lin52

MawBe

Just an un-elected civil servant
Like Ursula van der Leyen, if you add failed politician to the spec.

Also involved with evidence tampering when Defence minister for Germany. Such a paragon of virtue. Shoe horned in to post.

We could play 'whataboutery' all day.

Dido Harding springs to mind. Managed to lose £37 billion on rubbish TTT (down the back of her sofa, perhaps?) and now seemingly to be put in charge of the NHS...

MawBe

^Just an un-elected civil servant^
Like Ursula van der Leyen, if you add failed politician to the spec.

Also involved with evidence tampering when Defence minister for Germany. Such a paragon of virtue. Shoe horned in to post.

Any opinions?

I haven't read the book, Alegrias, but to theorise that the government has used questionable tactics makes it sound as though the government had some kind of plan.

Running round like headless chickens and vacillating; which is how I see the government's handling of the pandemic, doesn't feel like any sort of a 'plan' to me.

I suspect it's for the tinfoil hat brigade...but I'd read it if someone lent it to me.

Mawbe Isn't that what's going on in Scotland. Another referendum proposed until the answer wanted by the SNP is achieved.

Alegrias1

Sort of relevant, I suppose. Has anyone read "State of Fear" by Laura Dodsworth?

Its about how the government have used questionable tactics during the pandemic to get us to do what they thought was necessary. I'm interested in this concept (relates to Brexit, obviously!) but I do wonder if the book is playing to the tin hat brigade.

Any opinions?

I must soooo catch up on my reading. That’s another to add to the list.

I don’t know where the time goes!

Tinfoil hat brigade, sorry!

Sort of relevant, I suppose. Has anyone read "State of Fear" by Laura Dodsworth?

Its about how the government have used questionable tactics during the pandemic to get us to do what they thought was necessary. I'm interested in this concept (relates to Brexit, obviously!) but I do wonder if the book is playing to the tin hat brigade.

Any opinions?

maddyone

I haven’t seen/heard about any of these polls.

Me neither, and I haven’t turned against either, especially after seeing how the EU is performing during the pandemic.

Some years ago I was at a wedding reception of a colleague and a very well known politician was sitting at our table, my husband asked him “In all the years you have been an MP what surprises you most” the MP who was on his second bottle of wine replied. “Oh by far how gullible the public are to what they are told”.