Protest section 4 Police Bill.

Oh no, such wit!

How will I be able to survive the shame of Chestnut making fun of me.

I shall probably turn to drink.

No helpful suggestions from Alegrias1? Or maybe just watching and waiting to report someone for being racist?

This is from our local paper.
People are too frightened to challenge or video these people..

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The Police are completely ineffective unless they have absolute proof against someone, which is video/audio evidence or whatever. And I suppose even then they have to abide by the law of the land as to how they deal with them. This isn't the 1970s of Life on Mars so they have to walk on eggshells.
Victims need to whip out their smartphones and video film the threats (or record the audio) otherwise there is no proof. Don't be caught without it handy ready to record.

But the police CAN do something. Demanding money with menaces is a criminal offence. Complain to the local police and if they do not take action, then complain about them.

Law-abiding Travellers would be only too happy to see such criminals brought to justice.

This is from our local neighbourhood watch Facebook page.

An update on the caravan residents on chants Ave north field. They’re demanding £6,000 off the cricket club who’s ground they’re taking up. And threatening them saying that if they don’t get the money, they’ll burgle all the houses round here & then bring 20 more vans. They’ve also been into the sports club and poo’ed on the floor. And cut open the wire gate from the sports club car park on to the field. Our neighbours just spoken to the sports club & this is what they’ve said. The police apparently can’t do anything. This is disgusting. So the police won’t intervene now until we all get burgled ?! What can we do people??

Why are the emotive words ‘ethic cleansing being used. Look it up and see what ethnic cleansing really is, and this new law is not ethnic cleansing. Go to Serbia and learn what it really is.

What is happening is that travellers who are not a race, although true Romany Gypsies are, will no longer be able to stay for weeks, on village greens, cricket grounds, farmers fields etc whilst civil proceedings take place, but will now be moved on by the police. Have you seen the huge boulders erected everywhere to keep travellers off private property as a consequence because of the damage frequently caused? We have a travellers camp where the resident law abiding travellers were intimidated and bullied by other non law abiding travellers. We don’t want the latter and if the new law stops it I am all in favour.

Katie59

The rural community has been campaigning for many years to stop the criminality in the traveller community.
With an 80 seat majority there is no way this bill is going to get voted down, honest travellers have nothing to fear, just obey the laws that all the rest of us have to

Honest travellers have everything to fear.

Loss of income, being made homeless, a criminal record for following our culture, hefty fines for stopping.
This new law isn't just to tackle crime, that's such a naive view.
It's to ethnically cleanse two races.
Dressing it up however you want to won't change the fact that this gov are determined to stop our rights, all of us.

I'd like crime to be tackled by the Police, whoever the criminals are, and you don't do this by racial discrimination and laws to punish law abiding citizens.

What honest Travellers have to fear is that their rights to live their lives will be curtailed because their stopping places will be closed to them.

How would you feel if your right to live in your house was taken away because someone else who lived in a house had committed a crime?

The rural community has been campaigning for many years to stop the criminality in the traveller community.
With an 80 seat majority there is no way this bill is going to get voted down, honest travellers have nothing to fear, just obey the laws that all the rest of us have to

If I were to say that some gorjas (settled people like the majority here) commit crime, so all settled people are suspect and should put their house in order it would be seen for the nonsense that it is.

I would be the last to pretend that no Travellers commit crime; but I hope that people can see the complete illogicality of assuming that all are suspect. The ones who commit crime are visible; those who do not (the vast majority) are not visible. They are simply getting on with their lives. But sadly facing prejudice every day when their heritage is revealed.

I wonder if you have ever heard the name Johnny Delaney?
Or how you think his parents felt, how long it took for our children to feel safe at school.
Yes, there are murderers in all walks of life.
So are all non travellers criminals and murderers then?

Katie59

I’m not just sounding off out of racism or spite, criminality in the traveller community is a big issue in rural areas, and most rural businesses are affected, not just a few almost all.
Caravans, Vehicles, Quad Bikes, mowers, chainsaws and any kind of power tool, in short anything they can sell easily for cash, no questions asked. Their latest enterprise is dogs, recently a site was raided and a dozen stolen pet dogs were recovered. With dogs currently so valuable, some as much as £2000 it’s well worthwhile for them.

So we have to live with the continual threat, one rule, dont confront them they will run you down to escape. Several property owners have been killed and injured and PC Harper last year as well.

I’m sorry to be at odds with you romaroot if you want the travelling community to be accepted then the remedy is in your own hands, put your own house in order.

This has to be the most racist comment I've ever heard. I hope it isn't deleted, and people see.
I'd be ashamed to put my name to that post when generalising about not just one race but two.

Zennomore

youtu.be/JfG7uwm-HM0

Thank you so much, I've seen this before, but just now it made me cry.
This is totally the wrong way to go about it, but Pritti Patel knew it was a winner of votes because we are such a hated race.
The young man in the film, his comments were the same as young Romany, my son works in finance, he's independent now, but as an employee once he mentioned being a gypsy he was watched like a hawk. A cousin, school cook. She didn't have a secondary education and took Level 2 English and Maths so she could be promoted to supervisor. When she'd been in the job for about a year she let her guard down, that was it shadowed and made to feel uncomfortable.
My children bullied at school, threatened with knives. I took them out and Home educated. Luckily our youngest is very gifted and her school has such diversity she fits in.
This doesn't just affect travellers either, many sleep at the side of a road who are travelling for work. First covid and now not being able to travel my work has gone. Built up over 30 years. So much research and education and finally being accepted by the younger generation. Hoping they'll take something positive from the story to inform their parents.

I’m not just sounding off out of racism or spite, criminality in the traveller community is a big issue in rural areas, and most rural businesses are affected, not just a few almost all.
Caravans, Vehicles, Quad Bikes, mowers, chainsaws and any kind of power tool, in short anything they can sell easily for cash, no questions asked. Their latest enterprise is dogs, recently a site was raided and a dozen stolen pet dogs were recovered. With dogs currently so valuable, some as much as £2000 it’s well worthwhile for them.

So we have to live with the continual threat, one rule, dont confront them they will run you down to escape. Several property owners have been killed and injured and PC Harper last year as well.

I’m sorry to be at odds with you romaroot if you want the travelling community to be accepted then the remedy is in your own hands, put your own house in order.

Chestnut

Alegrias1

And yet, I'm not the one being deleted.....

No, you're the one stifling free discussion by reporting comments.

The cry of the racist everywhere; we were just having a free and frank discussion.

This thread is riven with racism. It crossed a line when someone questioned if a poster knew their own race and then proceeded to tell them how to organise their life to fit in better with what was acceptable to them. Oh, and how prejudice was justified.

I rarely report and I tell people when I do. There seems to be some misconception that GNHQ automatically delete things that people report. Well they don't. They delete things that are so obnoxiously rude and abusive that leaving them on the site would get GNHQ closed down.

youtu.be/JfG7uwm-HM0

Katie59

Anyone who has lived next to a traveler site has no sympathy towards them, we have 3 in a 10 mile radius, all the rural properties have electric gates and ditches to prevent breakins.
All these sites are “no go” areas for the police, if they do have to enter it is with an armed response unit. Then they can retrieve property previously stolen, surprise surprise nobody knows or have seen anything. Their culture is based on thieving, otherwise why would the isolate themselves in that way, other minorities don’t live in that way. The problems have got worse in the last 10 yrs because the Irish government clamped down on traveller activity and they moved over here.

It’s not the travelling lifestyle that is the problem, if they lived in open sites and stopped thieving there would be no issue.

Katy, I'm sorry but I have to ask, who are they?
My culture isn't based on thieving, I've never stolen anything in my life. Nor have any of my family who all live on sites.
One side of my family managed to buy land in the 60's before local government saw refusal of site provision as more voters.
If we try to do this now there is so much local opposition it's usually refused, even with the same plans previously accepted by non gypsy land purchasers.
There is nowhere for us to go, and this Bill will see many more thousands homeless. I'm lucky and don't have small children anymore, but I'm so worried for those facing this with small children. No doubt they'll be taken into care.

I know this was huge propaganda of it's time but look at the difference between acceptance then and now.
This clip are my family, and I was told by a non gypsy that all the schools in the area were given the day off.
Hope it's informative. Can you hear the Yorkshire accent?

www.youtube.com/results?search_query=weddin+on+yorkshire+moors

I believe the point of racism needs to be put across to society in general, and that's the hard part.
Tarring whole races as criminals or a problem is racist, surely?
If we remove the word traveller and add any other ethnic minority there would be an uproar and rightly so. But, for travellers it's accepted and encouraged by society. Counsellors and politicians are showing their true colours as usual and anti gypsyism is the last form of accpted racism.
Remember those No signs in the 60's No Blacks, Irish, gypsies, there's only Irish travellers and Romany who are still refused entry to many establishments.
The most recent were Morrisons, the poor girl I felt sorry for, she was following orders. Weatherspoons and Pontins. The media including C4 dispatches, they fuel the hatred.

Alegrias1

And yet, I'm not the one being deleted.....

No, you're the one stifling free discussion by reporting comments.

And yet, I'm not the one being deleted.....

Alegrias1

Breathtaking ignorance.

Reported.

As usual you come on a thread simply to express shock horror at things other people say instead of contributing anything to the thread. You seem to spend your life being outraged on behalf of other people. ?

Romaroot Absolutely agree the Police need to charge criminals whoever they are. If only they did.
if the person across the street from you was a criminal should we assume you are the same, after all, you live in a house. Should I fear that you are a criminal too.
People living in houses tend to be individuals and not part of a community with shared ethnicity and values. Any house might have a criminal living there, but they are mostly a single dwelling and not connected to nearby houses.

The terrible treatment you mention is because there are lowlife scumbags in all communities, and they are the real problem, whether travellers or non-travellers. If only all people would show respect to others, but those kind never will.

Travelling your ancestral route sounds lovely! I have done the same thing in various parts of the country, so I hope you can find a way to take your family one day. I'm sure you will manage, even if it means travelling by car. Where there's a will there's a way.

Breathtaking ignorance.

Reported.