The Irish Question revisited

Alegrias1

Hooray! Free for all!

When do we sent in the gunboats and make them buy our opium?

No need. The French desperately want our fish. The Spanish costas are crying out for our holiday spending money to lift their economy.

Presumably she doesn't care about that either. It was all a "price worth paying".

No, the French don't desperately want our fish and there are other EU nationals with money to spend in Spain. If you honestly think that will sway the EU, I'm afraid you're living in a fantasy world.

No, the French don't desperately want our fish I meant the ones in the sea. Which of course they do really want.

And UK holidaymakers spend more on the Costas than others do. Our absence is very much pinching their economy.

ug Brexit has no effect on holiday tourism.

It is covid.

Most Brexiteers are English and don’t give a stuff about Ireland or peace, that’s obvious from what is being said on here. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence will realise that where there is a disputed border to keep the peace you have to treat both sides of said border the same, which is why the protocol was agreed BY THE U.K. in the first place. Now The DUP realises they’ve been thrown under the brexit bus, like the fishing communities, they are all whinging to change the agreement, made just a few months ago, by our esteemed government and its dimwit advisors.,

I know. But it demonstrates a leverage. We ought to employ some of them back against the EU. Their intransigence is bonkers. They just want to crush us to make an example to others in the EU. And the EU do (and have) broken their own treaties. Finances of late is a good example. Trouble is brewing over the Channel. QE by Lagarde is raising huge concerns in Germany.

Urmstongran

I know. But it demonstrates a leverage. We ought to employ some of them back against the EU. Their intransigence is bonkers. They just want to crush us to make an example to others in the EU. And the EU do (and have) broken their own treaties. Finances of late is a good example. Trouble is brewing over the Channel. QE by Lagarde is raising huge concerns in Germany.

No ug we willingly signed an agreement. No one forced us. It is an international treaty that Johnson presented at the time as a huge success. Who can forget his performance in the HoC when announcing this enormous and profound success?

vegansrock

Most Brexiteers are English and don’t give a stuff about Ireland or peace, that’s obvious from what is being said on here. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence will realise that where there is a disputed border to keep the peace you have to treat both sides of said border the same, which is why the protocol was agreed BY THE U.K. in the first place. Now The DUP realises they’ve been thrown under the brexit bus, like the fishing communities, they are all whinging to change the agreement, made just a few months ago, by our esteemed government and its dimwit advisors.,

That’s the way it is, with Biden backing Ireland and the EU the UK should just get on with it and stop complaining, of course the DUP are afraid of loosing influence, that’s tough. All of Ireland has been living by EU rules for 40 yrs so there are few changes that NI people will see, far less than we see in the rest of the UK.

Urmstongran

I know. But it demonstrates a leverage. We ought to employ some of them back against the EU. Their intransigence is bonkers. They just want to crush us to make an example to others in the EU. And the EU do (and have) broken their own treaties. Finances of late is a good example. Trouble is brewing over the Channel. QE by Lagarde is raising huge concerns in Germany.

Oh UG, are you still labouring under the misguided belief that they give a toss about us?

Their intransigence? They have a club. We wanted to leave the club, but we still want them to treat us like we're in the club,

Its not that hard to understand, really.

Northern Ireland has always been a problem and always will.
Political and regliously fed up with it.

Sheilasue

Northern Ireland has always been a problem and always will.
Political and regliously fed up with it.

Whose fault is that then?

It's hard- you want to stay polite, and listen, and discuss calmly and respectfully. But when people show total ignorance of the subject, it becomes harder and harder. And in the end, yes, is is difficult not to resort to sarcasm, and sometimes blow a fuse. Because it is important- because it changes lives, and the future of our children and grand-children, and this great country.

Like last night on Question time. I was screaming at the TV listening to this man talking absolute ignorant nonsense. Actually I think most of us, most of the time, have been massively controlled considering.

Watch the link please- although I think those who could do with a better understanding of the Deal we signed up to, and the realities of the Single Market - will probably not watch. So, no, a good chinwag will not sort this mess out, and the 'common sense' needs to come from the side who signed up to it with its fingers crossed behind their back.

youtu.be/rTYP7Vw8fn8

What they don't say in the video, is that there is also a risk of meat products not only entering NI but going on to the EU. For now, UK meat products are generally of high quality- but certainly not all sausages are. Some cheap sausages are made from all sorts of pretty awful stuff, and lots of cereal, and of course the EU still have very clear memory of the CJD crisis.

The problem is more long-term, as the UK is likely to change from the currently agreed EU standards, to a more USA style form of production- in increasing waves, including more allowed use of fattening processes, use of antibiotics and other additives, poorer feeds, more animals per acre or M2 in barns, and lower wages, etc. This might, or might not happen- no-one knows- but the EU has to look ahead and protect itself in case. Totally fair.

Oh UG, are you still labouring under the misguided belief that they give a toss about us?

Not us Alegrias our money! It talks. Always has.

Sheilasue

Northern Ireland has always been a problem and always will.
Political and regliously fed up with it.

Yes it has, and sadly I can’t see any end to it either. It’s like the Palestinian/Israeli situation, just no end in sight.

Alegrias1

British. British sausages.

There's a clue for you.

Silly me, there was me thinking English sausages were British. Of course if Biden is in England the sausages people are suggesting are probably going to be English aren't they? Cornish food producers are making up hampers of local Cornish goods for them so they could be described as Cornish, English or British. All would be correct.

Actually Urmstongran, I believe that long term Spain would be very happy to switch clientele, for one that would appreciate Spanish food, restaurants and culture, owned and staffed by Spaniards. Clients who would be prepared to pay for better quality of hotels, etc, and that would bring more money in to the country.

Much easier to export stuff to the rest of the EU, where they can just drive through, no red tape, use EU hauliers and drivers, and often with better value currency.

And import, of course.

Urmstongran

Alegrias1

Hooray! Free for all!

When do we sent in the gunboats and make them buy our opium?

No need. The French desperately want our fish. The Spanish costas are crying out for our holiday spending money to lift their economy.

I think our fishing community desperately want to sell them our fish.

growstuff

Julia Hartley-Brewer has just said on Talk Radio, "Many worried that Northern Ireland had effectively been thrown under a bus to deliver Brexit for the rest of the UK. I, as a Brexiteer, hold my hands up to that, as a price worth paying."

So there we have it! She knew and I suspect many others did too that there is no solution for NI, but she didn't care.

At least she is honest which is refreshing in itself.

Sheilasue sorry to hear you say that. I'm from N.Ireland and I'm praying this will get sorted any way possible, I would accept help from wherever possible to stop the troubles raising their ugly head again. Do you not think we are sick of it all too, the threat of trouble starting, we have got used to peace and it's great living in this beautiful place.
Brexit got through, lies were told and now we are paying for it. Prices of some things here have doubled, my friend owns a builders yard and has to wait ages for stuff to arrive here, soil even has to get checked, it's ridiculous. Food, medication, the lot has increased in price.
Dear knows how this will get resolved, Boris broke promises, trust gone and I can't see how it will return. As for our lot here, nothing will surprise me that Stormont will collapse again when we have change at the top and then where will we be. A health service in crisis like the rest of the UK and prob no numpties running it. I can only pray it won't go that far.

Building materials are difficult in all the UK generally up 30% or so in a year, it’s the combined effect of Covid and Brexit together. Supply and demand, there is no other reason a truck load of timber or bricks should cost more.

If anyone thinks that Brexit is front page news here in France
you are being misled by the likes of the tabloids.
The rest of Europe go to Spain, the Dutch, German, French,
Italians but the tabloids seem to overlook that.
Nobody I know gives a toss about Brexit, we have our own lives to live

It’s a shame Europeans are not a little more enthusiastic about getting a vaccine rather travelling around the EU and risking spreading Covid. I understand the vaccine situation is improving in Europe, but it’s a pity it got off to bad start, and that many Europeans are apparently vaccine sceptics.