Brexit is fast becoming a disaster

I expect oranges, mandarins, bananas, strawberries, avos, in fact all vegetables to be available all the year round with the exception of maybe seasonal mangos and pomegranates. They always have been and I would be shocked if they weren’t.

I agree that some expectations are unrealistic, having strawberries flown thousands of miles for Christmas day is madness. However, this is very different from expecting salad stuff to be on the shelves in June. The shortages as I understand it, are due to a combination of lack of people to pick the salad stuff in the first place, and then a shortage of lorry drivers to deliver it to supermarkets. This has all been discussed quite openly, and we should not be distracted by isssues such as avocados taking valuable drinking water, which is wrong of course. I am fortunate in that I can grow quite a lot of our own at this time of year, but not everyone is able to do so. Concerns about climate change must not be used to cover up problems caused by Brexit

Interesting, Gill57. In my lifetime we've seen such vast choice hit our supermarket shelves. We expect, and get, out of season fruit and veg. We've become rather spoilt. I had a very interesting discussion with a friend in South America. Avocados. Locals in areas where these are grown have to rely on getting their drinking/bathing water from trucks. This is an old article but explains it well

www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/17/chilean-villagers-claim-british-appetite-for-avocados-is-draining-region-dry

Maybe we do have unrealistic expectations which is causing many issues relating to climate change etc.

Covid19 has been a blessing for this corrupt and reckless Tory administration, while commentators spend their time debating whether we can or cannot dance at weddings, the economy is in freefall. I had a surreal FB discussion last night with someone regarding the shortages of salad stuff in some supermarkets; he said that the public have unrealistic expectations and should be satisfied with what we can grow here, or even better, grow it themselves. Unbelievable, but predictable

It's the online shop which sells mugs and umbrellas etc etc which have stopped selling to the EU. Apparently this store generated £5 million. How much of that came from the EU I've no idea.

www.poppyshop.org.uk/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9am-7oim8QIVVZ3VCh0gBgI-EAAYASAAEgI_2vD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

The spokesperson later added: “There has been no change to the distribution of paper poppies to our members in the EU and we are still sending deliveries to locations in Europe and across the world so that Remembrance activity can take place.”

If it is online sales surely they can still go ahead. I would be very surprised though if many Europeans bought poppies from the BL online. They have their own commemorating the end of war and remembering the dead.

dragonfly46

As I said somewhere else Alegrias I lived in Europe for 18 years and nowhere did I see the British Legion selling poppies. The only place I have heard of it is near the war graves in Normandy.

Its online sales.

Sorry, I missed the other thread. I'll go and look.

The pandemic has made it “A good day to bury bad news,” for this government. Well the pandemic is coming to an end and the news will turn its attention to the disastrous effects of Brexit and the lies that were told to deceive the British public into voting for it.

Whitewavemark2

Some do though, and that is the point.

Which country? I'm genuinely interested.

Some do though, and that is the point.

Alegrias1

I've just read that the British Legion won't be selling any of their poppy products in the EU because of Brexit tax changes.

Any comment from our Brexiters on that one?

There is a thread about this somewhere. Started yesterday I think. Most of us who have lived in Europe have no recollection of ever seeing poppies for sale there.

As I said somewhere else Alegrias I lived in Europe for 18 years and nowhere did I see the British Legion selling poppies. The only place I have heard of it is near the war graves in Normandy.

I've just read that the British Legion won't be selling any of their poppy products in the EU because of Brexit tax changes.

Any comment from our Brexiters on that one?

One special interest of mine is the quality of our food, by protecting what goes into our livestock, and onto our fields, in order to promote growth. Australia seems to be happier with lower standards.

Tory MPs in the red wall seats are furious at the governments intention of allowing protections of the steel industry inherited from the EU are to be ended.

This will wreck the steel industry

katie you last sentence/paragraph. Yes just as we are doing with Australia, and will do with other countries.

Yes rejoining the Single Market would make sense, but with a government with an 80 seat majority it isn’t going to happen, it’s going to be over 3yrs before any changes are possible. We just have to tough it out until then, realistically it’s not going to happen unless Labour get a large majority and are determined to push it through.

Single Market - European Economic Area not full EU membership, means accepting EU rules on trade and freedom of movement.

vampirequeen

eazybee

It would have been very different if the remainers hadn't spent three years trying to overturn a democratic vote; there would have been three years to sort agreements and arrangements out before covid struck.
As it is, Brexit has been in existence for six months.

Am I reading this correctly? Are you saying that remainers are the reason that Brexit is an unmitigated disaster? No one stopped the government negotiating. They were just useless when it came to it.

How absolutely true *vampirequeen”. You have saved me the trouble.

Beyond belief!

eazybee

It would have been very different if the remainers hadn't spent three years trying to overturn a democratic vote; there would have been three years to sort agreements and arrangements out before covid struck.
As it is, Brexit has been in existence for six months.

Am I reading this correctly? Are you saying that remainers are the reason that Brexit is an unmitigated disaster? No one stopped the government negotiating. They were just useless when it came to it.

Oh I am sure he fully understood- but thought he would sign and renegotiate later and that the EU would bend to his ridiculous demands.

So when people say he is intelligent- really, I can't agree. No-one would sign a Treaty that took so long, so much negotiating, and so much expert advice- would sign for short-term personaly gain and scupper the country.

easybee Covid is not the reason and never will be. The Tories, in particular the current govt have made a mess of negotiating. As with many leavers, and has been said countless times on here, the govt don't seem to understand that if you reach an agreement you should stick by it. You do not try to re-negotiate treaties because ministers, even the PM, did not understand them.

The UK left the EU and we are now reduced to third country status, unfortunately.

There is a chart that shows exactly what a disaster all this is but GN is so wobbly at the moment I can’t post it, although I will keep trying.

eazy this is a structural phenomenon not something that will iron itself out over time.

This will continue unless this government moves its a..s and accepts that one of our best customers is the customer nearest to the U.K.

It is ridiculous to turn their back on such an enormous and lucrative customer.

They must give consideration to the single market

eazybee

It would have been very different if the remainers hadn't spent three years trying to overturn a democratic vote; there would have been three years to sort agreements and arrangements out before covid struck.
As it is, Brexit has been in existence for six months.

You seem to forget exactly who stopped the agreements being struck. One of them was our current prime minister.