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Brexit is fast becoming a disaster

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Whitewavemark2 Fri 18-Jun-21 09:03:08

HMRC have published some figures to show that food and drink exports fell by 2bn in the first 3 months since Brexit.

Dairy was down a massive 90%😲 and there were losses across the board.

The figures show that rather it being a teething issue as the Tories would have us believe it is in fact structural and likely to continue unless there is some sort of move towards say the SM.

FannyCornforth Fri 18-Jun-21 10:15:08

What is the answer?
I'm not being disingenuous - what exactly can we do?

Whitewavemark2 Fri 18-Jun-21 10:22:59

Rejoin the Single Market makes absolute sense.

The ridiculous thing as far as brexiters are concerned is that they cut off their noses….

If they were definitely supporters of the U.K. being a trading nation, then they would make sure that our best customers were not rejected.

What is happening is that this country is being hammered because brexiters are so blinkered and close minded.

Kali2 Fri 18-Jun-21 10:41:14

FannyCornforth

What is the answer?
I'm not being disingenuous - what exactly can we do?

Very difficult to say. In so many ways it is too late now.

But yes, Rejoin Single Market- but it will take a long time, and this Governement will never be able to do it now. They have burnt their bridges, and shot their reputation and standing into oblivion (and that of the UK with them).

Only a new Party, hopefully a coalition between Labour and others - will be able to say 'sorry, that was not of our making- how can we sort this mess sensibly and in good faith'- Johnson or anyone linked to ERG would never be able to do this now.

There were solutions, many proposed by EU, all turned down by Johnson. And then they signed - despite all the warnings by experts in all the relevant fields to 'get Brexit done' and avoid Tax Directives scrutiny for themselves and mates- knowing full well the price to pay for the people of UK would be massive and would sell down the fishermen, the farmers, the financial sector, our internationally linked industries and more.

So no, there are NO easy solutions in the current situation.

vegansrock Fri 18-Jun-21 12:23:49

This is not to mention the reneging on the NI protocol…..

FannyCornforth Fri 18-Jun-21 12:34:44

I wonder what would be happening if it wasn't for the virus dominating absolutely everything
It would be a very different situation and climate - politically and societally

eazybee Fri 18-Jun-21 12:38:50

It would have been very different if the remainers hadn't spent three years trying to overturn a democratic vote; there would have been three years to sort agreements and arrangements out before covid struck.
As it is, Brexit has been in existence for six months.

ayse Fri 18-Jun-21 12:40:16

FannyCornforth

I wonder what would be happening if it wasn't for the virus dominating absolutely everything
It would be a very different situation and climate - politically and societally

Covid and the transition arrangements has taken the scrutiny away from Brexit and its consequences. Pigeons are now coming home to roost and we will be able to see the results of the referendum in the coming months. IMO it won’t be a pretty sight.

ayse Fri 18-Jun-21 12:41:33

Remainders are not to blame for Brexit!

vegansrock Fri 18-Jun-21 12:43:38

No it wouldn’t Eazybee, the result was a very close run thing, many remain voters would have accepted a Norway type relationship as promised, but Brextreemists like the ERG were hell bent on hard/ no deal which was unacceptable to anyone with half a brain as they knows it would be an unmitigated disaster as it is turning out to be. so don’t blame remainers for not reaching a compromise- it was the hard right pushing their agenda.

Petera Fri 18-Jun-21 12:44:45

eazybee

It would have been very different if the remainers hadn't spent three years trying to overturn a democratic vote; there would have been three years to sort agreements and arrangements out before covid struck.
As it is, Brexit has been in existence for six months.

You seem to forget exactly who stopped the agreements being struck. One of them was our current prime minister.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 18-Jun-21 13:01:34

eazy this is a structural phenomenon not something that will iron itself out over time.

This will continue unless this government moves its a..s and accepts that one of our best customers is the customer nearest to the U.K.

It is ridiculous to turn their back on such an enormous and lucrative customer.

They must give consideration to the single market

Whitewavemark2 Fri 18-Jun-21 13:03:14

There is a chart that shows exactly what a disaster all this is but GN is so wobbly at the moment I can’t post it, although I will keep trying.

Dinahmo Fri 18-Jun-21 16:27:34

easybee Covid is not the reason and never will be. The Tories, in particular the current govt have made a mess of negotiating. As with many leavers, and has been said countless times on here, the govt don't seem to understand that if you reach an agreement you should stick by it. You do not try to re-negotiate treaties because ministers, even the PM, did not understand them.

The UK left the EU and we are now reduced to third country status, unfortunately.

Kali2 Fri 18-Jun-21 20:13:00

Oh I am sure he fully understood- but thought he would sign and renegotiate later and that the EU would bend to his ridiculous demands.

So when people say he is intelligent- really, I can't agree. No-one would sign a Treaty that took so long, so much negotiating, and so much expert advice- would sign for short-term personaly gain and scupper the country.

vampirequeen Fri 18-Jun-21 20:19:31

eazybee

It would have been very different if the remainers hadn't spent three years trying to overturn a democratic vote; there would have been three years to sort agreements and arrangements out before covid struck.
As it is, Brexit has been in existence for six months.

Am I reading this correctly? Are you saying that remainers are the reason that Brexit is an unmitigated disaster? No one stopped the government negotiating. They were just useless when it came to it.

Kali2 Fri 18-Jun-21 20:31:34

Beyond belief!

Lovetopaint037 Fri 18-Jun-21 23:37:53

vampirequeen

eazybee

It would have been very different if the remainers hadn't spent three years trying to overturn a democratic vote; there would have been three years to sort agreements and arrangements out before covid struck.
As it is, Brexit has been in existence for six months.

Am I reading this correctly? Are you saying that remainers are the reason that Brexit is an unmitigated disaster? No one stopped the government negotiating. They were just useless when it came to it.

How absolutely true *vampirequeen”. You have saved me the trouble.

Katie59 Sat 19-Jun-21 10:45:52

Yes rejoining the Single Market would make sense, but with a government with an 80 seat majority it isn’t going to happen, it’s going to be over 3yrs before any changes are possible. We just have to tough it out until then, realistically it’s not going to happen unless Labour get a large majority and are determined to push it through.

Single Market - European Economic Area not full EU membership, means accepting EU rules on trade and freedom of movement.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 19-Jun-21 11:40:49

katie you last sentence/paragraph. Yes just as we are doing with Australia, and will do with other countries.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 20-Jun-21 11:02:38

Tory MPs in the red wall seats are furious at the governments intention of allowing protections of the steel industry inherited from the EU are to be ended.

This will wreck the steel industry

Chardy Sun 20-Jun-21 11:22:42

One special interest of mine is the quality of our food, by protecting what goes into our livestock, and onto our fields, in order to promote growth. Australia seems to be happier with lower standards.

Alegrias1 Sun 20-Jun-21 11:24:49

I've just read that the British Legion won't be selling any of their poppy products in the EU because of Brexit tax changes.

Any comment from our Brexiters on that one?

dragonfly46 Sun 20-Jun-21 11:32:09

As I said somewhere else Alegrias I lived in Europe for 18 years and nowhere did I see the British Legion selling poppies. The only place I have heard of it is near the war graves in Normandy.

Talullah Sun 20-Jun-21 11:34:33

Alegrias1

I've just read that the British Legion won't be selling any of their poppy products in the EU because of Brexit tax changes.

Any comment from our Brexiters on that one?

There is a thread about this somewhere. Started yesterday I think. Most of us who have lived in Europe have no recollection of ever seeing poppies for sale there.