Brexit is fast becoming a disaster

I think you're right growstuff.

Whitewavemark2

The biggest % of our gas comes from Russia.

Are you sure? In the stats I saw, Norway was our biggest supplier.

Lord Frost, as the Head of the Whisky distillers assoc. was of course a total Remainer and advocated the huge advantages of being part of the EU and the Single Market.

Sue Wilson, chair of Bremain in Spain, has written to David Frost ‘You may think the British public are too stupid to grasp that the ‘unworkable’ deal you despise now is, in fact, the same amazing deal you previously touted.’

Not that I don’t, agree with you cool.

But I do think we stand a better chance if we were acting normally of increased gas supply from Europe than we ever would from Russia.

The biggest % of our gas comes from Russia.

Why have we only got 2-3 days supply of gas whereas Germany has 90 days supply in storage? Reason - Tory government allowed the private companies to get rid of gas storage to save money and increase their profits. Also Norway is a member of the European energy group but not an EU member so we could join that and be assured of supply if there was low capacity at any time. We get gas supply from Norway, but it will supply other IEG members (ie EU members) before supplying. third country (eg UK). We aren't joining it because of ideological /political reasons.

GrannyGravy13

theworriedwell we will never know what the situation here in the U.K. would have been without the emergence of a Global Pandemic.

You are allowing the Johnson propaganda to cloud your judgement.

Why haven't we got the same problems anywhere in Europe?

A bit of perspective here re UK and US

''Boris has no clue how far in the back of the queue he and Brexit placed Britain.
U.S. goods and services trade with the EU 27 totaled an estimated $1.1 trillion in 2019. Exports were $468 billion; imports were $598 billion.
Britain totalled £132 billion. Exports were £69 billion and imports £63 billion.''

So NO, we do NOT hold all the cards, at all.

So, if all GB’s problems are due solely to the pandemic, why haven’t we got the same problems here in France? No bare shelves in supermarkets, we did have a shortage of mainly summer fruit due to the awful spring we had. No problems with gas either but that could be as its partially state owned!
The vaccine roll out was slow to start with but now 82% of people are fully vaccinated. That includes children 12-15. My aged parents have also had their booster vaccines.
There’s no problem getting blood tests and you can see a doctor face to face every time.
So ask yourselves why is it so different in France?

Which is why I tend to watch live interviews wherever possible.

Me too. Too often I've watched a live discussion and then heard it reported afterwards and thought that's not what s/he said

I complained to the STV news about the way they were presenting the data. They've changed.

Alegrias1

Gove said that, I'm sure you remember.

I do think there are too may people on TV etc who are experts but whose words get twisted by the media. Such as Whitty's indication that 100,000 was a worst case estimate. Although people do tend to just hear that big number and have a bit of a meltdown.

I tend to agree that there are far too many experts on TV and the media take soundbites . Which is why I tend to watch live interviews wherever possible.

I particularly like Chris Smith (consultant virologist) He does an interactive BBC talk show (The Naked Scientist, not because he is nude but it is stripped back to basics that the general public are more able to digest)

too many people.

Gove said that, I'm sure you remember.

I do think there are too may people on TV etc who are experts but whose words get twisted by the media. Such as Whitty's indication that 100,000 was a worst case estimate. Although people do tend to just hear that big number and have a bit of a meltdown.

Alegrias1 please can you show where I have said the public are tired of experts ?

I do think that the many conflicting opinions can be confusing and counterproductive.

But it's not obvious, it's an excuse.

And forecasts aren't the same as analysis after the event.

Although that's a good excuse too isn't it? The public are tired of experts.

And I don't expect Whitty pretends to be any good at economics.

Alegrias1

^we will never know what the situation here in the U.K. would have been without the emergence of a Global Pandemic.^

Of course we will.

It's a handy excuse that I'm sure Johnson and his team will trot out, especially when it comes to the next election, but it's just not the case.

There are plenty academics and analysts who have the brains to attribute effects to their causes and we'll definitely be able to see what's due to Brexit and what's due to the pandemic.

That excuse won't wash, I'm afraid. Although I'm sure this isn't the last time we'll hear it.

I am not using it as an excuse, just stating the obvious.

As for the analysis of cause and affect, let’s hope they are more accurate than the UK’s CMO who predicted 100,000+ cases per day once the Country opened up

we will never know what the situation here in the U.K. would have been without the emergence of a Global Pandemic.

Of course we will.

It's a handy excuse that I'm sure Johnson and his team will trot out, especially when it comes to the next election, but it's just not the case.

There are plenty academics and analysts who have the brains to attribute effects to their causes and we'll definitely be able to see what's due to Brexit and what's due to the pandemic.

That excuse won't wash, I'm afraid. Although I'm sure this isn't the last time we'll hear it.

theworriedwell we will never know what the situation here in the U.K. would have been without the emergence of a Global Pandemic.

How people believe Johnson is beyond me- Brexit lies, NHS lies, Covid lies. Global Britain more like solo Britain scrabbling around for scraps from the USA table.

I am trying to decide who angers me more, the liar in chief or the fools who thought it worth having him in charge in order to achieve the economic, social and political disaster that is Brexit.

Aw go on - hate away Gill57. I have broad shoulders....
Yes, I thought it worth voting for Boris. He promised to Get Brexit Done. No-one else was offering.

The worse it gets, the madder I get.

Johnson looked and sounded pathetic tonight on the news, what a waste of a plane ticket that trip was. He was warned about the implications of disregarding the GFA and dismissing the very hard work of the brave people who brokered it, but like his mindless supporters he dismissed everything he saw negative as "Project Fear". I am trying to decide who angers me more, the liar in chief or the fools who thought it worth having him in charge in order to achieve the economic, social and political disaster that is Brexit.

Today DD (I do keep wheeling her out as my resident biochemist) told me she has had an email from BOC warning her that they will be prioritising CO2 for critical medical purposes. Seems to suggest that they don't see a CO2 shortage as scaremongering. A couple of years ago she was bringing dry ice home for her sons to experiment with, Now she's having problems getting it for work.

Home thoughts from abroad - from one of the countries that is learning more about us day by day.

The CO2 thing is fascinating. One factory = 60% reliance and that it is so crucial. It's as if no one has looked at how everything connects for Britain and that every time a decision is made there is no thought about how that one thread being pulled affects the whole knitting. I always assumed the politicians couldn't be as incompetent as they seem but ...

Don't think other countries don't see exactly what is happening here.

No problem.I was a little puzzled.