Birthing People - inclusive or offensive?

Hubbard has taken a biological females place at the Olympics. I wonder what that athlete thinks?

Agree with you, Maddyone. Female competitors might as well stay home.

I do wonder why it is quite acceptable for people on this thread to dislike "birthing people" which they are quite entitled to do, but not for other people to dislike terms like "pregnant female"? As I have said before you can be called what you wish but legal documents need to cover all those terms.
I think pregnant unicorn wouldn't be covered Far North it would perhaps have to come under Animal Welfare or Agricultural Provision. So anyone so identifiying in the USA probably wouldn't get a maternity bed.

I’m just dropping in here, read the early part of the thread, but not all the way through, so apologies if this has been raised before. Did anyone see the trans woman on SkyNews last night? She’s been allowed, the first person ever I believe, to compete in the female weight lifting at the Olympics. Not sure I agree with this. She didn’t trans till she was 35 so had the benefit of all the testosterone for all that time to build much bigger muscle mass. It seems to me she has an unfair advantage. Difficult though. What do you think?

FarNorth

trisher if I had refused to identify as a pregnant female, and perhaps declared myself to be a pregnant unicorn, I could still have got all the relevant checkups and a bed in the maternity ward, because I was actually a pregnant female (human).

Is there any limit to the idea of accepting that anyone is who they say they are?
Does it apply if I declare myself to be of a particular race?
Or a particular age?
Or to have a particular medical condition?

You aren't living in the USA FarNorth where insurance companies and health providers will do anything to cut care costs if they can. Saying you can't have care because you aren't covered by legislation would be so easy.

all this pontificating about how people must remain the sex they were born and cannot change gender

People do remain the sex they were born.

If you believe that gender is the same as sex, then people cannot change gender.

If you believe that gender is based on stereotypes about sex, then people can change gender.

Do all women agree about everything, except the trans issue?
Of course they don't.
It is perfectly legitimate for some women not to fall in with an idea just because some other women have that idea.

It's still here

trisher if I had refused to identify as a pregnant female, and perhaps declared myself to be a pregnant unicorn, I could still have got all the relevant checkups and a bed in the maternity ward, because I was actually a pregnant female (human).

Is there any limit to the idea of accepting that anyone is who they say they are?
Does it apply if I declare myself to be of a particular race?
Or a particular age?
Or to have a particular medical condition?

Funny how they want instant equality, instant recognition, instant whatever they perceive as their rights, when biological women have had to fight and are still fighting for equality and their rights.
Actually Mollygo a little investigation would reveal that transwomen have always existed and have been subjected to levels of abuse, condemnation and violence few women have experienced, and have had fewer rights. But most of them are standing with women now to improve all our lives.

Trans women are women.

In what way are transwomen women? They are all male.

If they were human, adult, and not male, they would be women.

Callistemon

^Of course it covers transmen, they have female reproductive organs, how else are they going to gestate a baby?^

They are female and if they have a child in their wombs they are pregnant females.

If they want to trans to men after they have given birth they could then have any female reproductive organs removed.
Answering questions from the child at some future date could prove somewhat tricky.

So if a transman is pregnant and refuses to identify as a pregnant female they wouldn't be covered by the health provision because the health budget only covered pregnant females?
It shows how ridiculous all this not permitting birthing people is, and all this pontificating about how people must remain the sex they were born and cannot change gender is, when you realise that those shouting loudest about this, denying transmen their rights, and asserting that men are the problem, actualy believe transmen are women, but apparently not women whose views have to be respected and accommodated.

Trans women are women.

Even if they have a penis?

Since women’s toilets are in cubicles, the majority of transwomen would be no problem and it would do them good to learn how long biological females have to queue for the toilet.
What people worry about is the trannie who wishes to use the female facilities, not just toilets, for perverted reasons.
Transwomen are exactly that, no matter how loudly people shout that they are women. Funny how they want instant equality, instant recognition, instant whatever they perceive as their rights, when biological women have had to fight and are still fighting for equality and their rights.

IVF notwithstanding, perhaps we ought to start calling men Conception-causing People.

Disabled toilets are usually only accessible if you have a key. They should not be used by non-disabled people in any case.

Years ago most public toilets had an attendant. If this was reinstated perhaps that might be the answer?

I think gender neutral toilet provision is important, but why on Earth would someone expect a trans woman to not use the women’s toilets? Nonsense. Trans women are women.

Visions of a symbol for a trans toilet here next to the other two.

nanna8 that has already happened to female prisoners, but prisons haven't changed their policy.

The claim, in any case, will simply be that that person wasn't trans, and trans people mustn't be disadvantaged because of them.

What will happen is some randy bloke will go into the women’s toilet at a quiet time and say he is trans. He will rape and attack some poor woman and then they will change the rules back again. You just have to wait until the horse bolts.

Men are male. Women are female. Trans any sex are whatever they say they are.
Humans with female reproductive organs give birth, males do not.

Trans men are men.

Of course it covers transmen, they have female reproductive organs, how else are they going to gestate a baby?

They are female and if they have a child in their wombs they are pregnant females.

If they want to trans to men after they have given birth they could then have any female reproductive organs removed.
Answering questions from the child at some future date could prove somewhat tricky.

trisher

Rosie51

We know you prefer the two word option, but why offend many others for the sake of another three words? If you really want just two words then pregnant females will accurately cover all options including surrogates, but I imagine some will find that not to their taste.

But not transmen Rosie51

Of course it covers transmen, they have female reproductive organs, how else are they going to gestate a baby?

I thnk most younger people don't particularly care. You have no idea if most younger people about this or not, trisher. The younger people in my world do care actually.

Can I also draw your attention to the vast number of younger women who attended the Reclaim these Streets vigil.

Young women who were protesting against male violence and oppression.