One law for football fans?

Back to the massively important title here. This is not a discussion about football versus rugby or horse-racing, or tiddly winks.

It is about massive crowds (and I don't care if they were from Scotland, Devon or Timbuctu) arriving in a very large town with a large % not vaccinated- without any social distancing, etc. In the middle of a pandemic which is far from over, and with very serious rise of a dangerous variant.

Theatres and other veneus were they can insist on proof of Covid status, and limit numbers by having on a % of seats taken, and insist on masks, etc- can't open. So why tolerate this?

Prole relates to proletariat, I believe? Those who are ruled over. That’s most of us.

Speak for yourself olddudders I am not a Prole, ( what a horrible word). I consider myself intelligent enough to do what I want, enjoy the things I enjoy, and take responsibility for myself and my behaviour. Had no complaints so far.
Are you saying Rugby fans never behave like hooligans and never get drunk? We hear more about football via the media because it is big and very popular.

I am so glad I used the word 'proles'. We are all proles in the eyes of the ruling class - that self-perpetuating oligarchy currently headed by Boris. So keeping us mollified by allowing a football competition to proceed in a pandemic is indeed dangerous patronising. Let me draw a parallel. A few decades back in New York, if there was trouble brewing in Harlem, they would get a tv channel to broadcast the entertainer James Brown, and everyone went indoors.

Someone observed that I hadn't sneered at rugby. No - because I am not aware that those fans engage in widespread anti-social behaviour, any more than those of cricket, tennis, polo or golf.

As for being a snob - born in a tied cottage with no bathroom or loo, and spending 38 years working in the railway industry, with everyday people of all sorts of cultures and ethnicities, hardly befits me to see myself as superior, does it? OTOH, as others have said, the way people behave, which has nothing to do with class, can indeed make anyone sigh.

I have attended alot of football matches at the ground my chosen team play at, at away grounds, and at the old Wembly Stadium. I see comradaree, banter, some bad language and mostly well behaved fans. Yes there are badly behaved fans, but there are arrests on protest marches, and on the weekends in lots of towns where people are drunk. Why do people single out football?
26 people were arrested, and I do not condone bad behaviour, but considering the size of the crowd most of them were just loud and out to have a good time and did not engage in behaviour to get them arrested.

This prole is thoroughly enjoying the football thanks.
To refer back to the OP, the vigil for Sarah Everard on 13/3/21 was specifically banned by the Metropolitan Police when we were in lockdown. The fans for the football were asked nicely not to go while we are in stage 3 of unlocking.

Football has an audience from all walks of life. My GP was always going to see her chosen team. And lets not forget the consultant cardiologist who rushed on to the pitch to assist when Fabrice Muamba collapsed

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/fans-praise-hero-doctor-who-rushed-on-pitch-to-save-muamba-7577708.html

I suppose she could have banned anybody leaving by cruise liner. Or coracle, maybe?

Honestly, in some eyes everything negative about Scotland is NS's fault.

Lillie

Whats a prole? my husband likes the football, he was a bank manager.

A member of the working class.

Lillie

Whats a prole? my husband likes the football, he was a bank manager.

Anyone less in the hierarchy than oldudders of course, Lillie so I presume a bank manager is a prole.

Excuse me if I indulge in a bit of "Whatabootery".

Tennis?

Royal Ascot? = people dressed in weird costumes, getting drunk and falling over (but all in the best possible taste)

Galaxy

I could describe the benefits that both my sons gained from football, understanding of teamwork, cooperation, better health, friends etc, the issue of fans congregating is a seperate issue, but the disdain for football is very interesting to watch.

And yesterday we saw hordes of people screaming, packed together in their thousands, in a town where so many are not vaccinated- are we being snoobish for thinking that is very worrying?
Yes, it was worrying Kali2 and I agree with you. I remarked to DH that some picked out on camera were loutish but, of course, the majority will not behave like that. They were self-distance in the stadium but how some behaved outside was a different matter.

Galaxy I agree with your post.
Presumably rugby is more upmarket, unfortunately my DS was advised not to play it so played football instead.

DGD plays for a girl's football team and it has helped her in many ways through adolescence and school- socially, mentally and physically.
Grammaretto ? Any sport should be encouraged in youngsters.

Oldudders I'm not a football fan but your post is pathetically sneery.

Shall we pick one thing to be outraged about at one time, then maybe we have a better chance of understanding each others posts.
A post about football, proles and the Royal Family combined perhaps, Alegrias?
The Duke of Cambridge is President of the English FA. Does that make him a prole?

Does that help? ?

Alegrias1

^Nicola Sturgeon allowed flights to take off full of un-masked supporters, singing and drinking (videos available on line) the trains were not much better.^

She should have enforced a no ticket no travel policy

This is just getting silly now. Should she have stood on the runway and prevented the planes taking off? Laid down on the tracks maybe?

No ticket no travel. So nobody without a ticket to the match was allowed to leave Scotland on public transport? Nobody at all? Do you not think they have cars?

To be fair The First Minister is fairly hot on people travelling into Scotland, so it’s not impossible.

"I did not hear they intimidated people on public transport either"

Believe me they do! when I worked up in London and football fans descended on the capital, it was horrible for commuters, tubes tended to be packed anyway and it doesn't take too much imagination to see how drunken fans piling on to already crowded stations and trains impact on those trying to go about their daily lives. Alarming, frightening is how I remember it and that was before any of us had experienced a pandemic.

Nicola Sturgeon allowed flights to take off full of un-masked supporters, singing and drinking (videos available on line) the trains were not much better.

She should have enforced a no ticket no travel policy

This is just getting silly now. Should she have stood on the runway and prevented the planes taking off? Laid down on the tracks maybe?

No ticket no travel. So nobody without a ticket to the match was allowed to leave Scotland on public transport? Nobody at all? Do you not think they have cars?

Whats a prole? my husband likes the football, he was a bank manager.

I might add that I do like football (once married to a footballer) but as we are in pandemic restrictions what in earth is wrong with watching the game’s locally.

No need to travel, and that goes for any Country.

Looking forward to the comments when/if in order for the final to be played at Wembley the PM gives 2,500 VIP’s /football executives a free pass on quarantine?

Well they did intimidate people on public transport. A woman on a plane from Edinburgh full of drunken fans asked them not to swear or sing as she was with a child. This didn’t happen and the cabin crew gave up trying to get them to put their masks on or stop drinking. Also the tube where men in kilts were giving the rest of the passengers an impromptu dance showing all their bits are just a couple of examples . The transport police couldn’t cope. I’m not against people having a good time, but trashing the town , urinating in the fountains. No thanks

Welcome In third corona wave.

Alegrias1

^Having said that I’m appalled that people were allowed to travel down from Scotland without having tickets to see the match when we’re in the middle still of a pandemic.^

How would you have stopped them?

Nicola Sturgeon allowed flights to take off full of un-masked supporters, singing and drinking (videos available on line) the trains were not much better.

She should have enforced a no ticket no travel policy

I’m totally with you Alegrias1. And you don’t even like football! I love international football and although I find some of the fans’ behaviour (particularly the English) embarrassing, on the whole I’m so happy to have this wonderful European competition bringing joy and excitement to so many people at what can only be described as the shittiest time since WW2.

Having said that I’m appalled that people were allowed to travel down from Scotland without having tickets to see the match when we’re in the middle still of a pandemic.

How would you have stopped them?

I think it’s important for sport to go ahead at the moment given that people are restricted in so many ways. I love watching most kinds of sport and football is so important to so many people. Having said that I’m appalled that people were allowed to travel down from Scotland without having tickets to see the match when we’re in the middle still of a pandemic. As for the game itself well, as DH and I said to ourselves afterwards, that’s two hours of our lives that we won’t get back. And again ( I know I’m always harking back to this ) I keep thinking back to the people’s vote marches I was on when there was no trouble and no litter.

Some very snobbish views on here about football. It's a team game that gives alot of pleasure to people.My ex husband, son and Grandson all meet up to watch their team and they have a lovely time and they are not hooligans.
I really resent some of the disparaging comments on here. Football is considered more of
a working class sport, so attracts ignorant comments, why are Rugby players not referred to as overpaid Prima Donna's , thugs and other disparaging names.
The Scottish supporters were loud, and very excited but I saw no signs of fighting and hooligan behaviour on the news. I did not hear they intimidated people on public transport either.

GG13 - lol.