Should Nicola Sturgeon have discouraged Scottish Football fans without tickets from travelling to London?

My understanding was that they were advised not to go - especially those that didn't have tickets.
Scotland has different rules to England and if that rule says people shouldn't travel, they should expect a fine!

I think, using a term which I've learned on Gransnet, that there is much whataboutery on this thread.

It seems some posters are allowed to use it whereas others get castigated if they do.

My understanding was that they were advised not to go - especially those that didn't have tickets.

Yes, but they ignored Ms Sturgeon, presumably because she is Scottish and female.

Other fans from other countries may ignore their leaders for other reasons.

Callistemon

No, she should have got the bricks and cement out and build a wall.
Singlehandedly.

This thread is becoming ridiculous.

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I've completely lost track of the whole thing

Anyway, my closing shot; whataboutery is when somebody does something bad and their supporters say "Well your guy did something just as bad!"

The whole premise of this thread was that NS should have done something, when in fact she'd already done it. Some people will find fault when it doesn't exist and not see the hypocrisy of that.

However we live in a world where people think their five-year-olds need to graduate from nursery, so what do I know?

That’s an unkind thing to say to parents, Alegrias. Have you ever been to a nursery graduation? It’s just a wee ceremony to mark a rite of passage for their children, something for the photo album and to look back on as children grow. Sometimes children get a small gift, a book or similar, as a memento.

It’s sad when parents are denied this small pleasure - nursery classes are limited to 20 where I am - when football fans can gather in their thousands. It’s the hypocrisy and injustice of it.

I didn't mean to be unkind SueDonim but it has alwasy struck me as just ridiculous that people think you "graduate" from nursery.

Have a leaving party, by all means. Take their pictures, give them a wee present, have a prize giving. But calling it a graduation is just bizarre. Always thought so, always will.

Graduate is another word that has had its meaning changed as time passes. We in the UK have adopted the America version.

In any case, whatever it’s called, it’s upsetting for parents and children to be deprived of this little marker in life when others are allowed to gather.

Totally agree SueDonim one of our GS's last day at Nursery was a day at a local animal fun park, at the end in the little entertainment area, those leaving weee called onto the stage, given a round of applause and a folder full of photos of their time in Nursery, some of their pieces of work and some small gifts (book, crayons and some sweeties)

Unfortunately our GC moving from Nursery to Primary this year is denied this fun day out with their friends, parents and Grandparents.

I know its off topic SueDonim but I'm not entirely happy with the idea that people graduate from FE Colleges which don't offer degrees. Graduation is about Degrees.

I'm a reactionary old soul and I'll stick to my guns.

But, I do sympathise with the apparent inconsistencies in rules.

I shall admit to being rather surprised to receive a photo of my granddaughter graduating from nursery. But she looks terribly happy in her photo I'll not worry too much about it.

Graduating from nursery/school wasn’t a thing when mine were young and I was cat’s-bum-mouth about it, too, when I first heard of it, but I’ve got over myself now and accept it’s part of modern life.

Anyway, my closing shot; whataboutery is when somebody does something bad and their supporters say "Well your guy did something just as bad!"

It wasn't whataboutery then, as English fans didn't travel to Glasgow.

I've got it now ?

SueDonim

Graduating from nursery/school wasn’t a thing when mine were young and I was cat’s-bum-mouth about it, too, when I first heard of it, but I’ve got over myself now and accept it’s part of modern life.

Ah, the erosion of the true meaning of words...

Don't get me started on "exponential"

They did this though.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-57550606

How about ‘decimated’ as well, Alegrias?

Callistemon

Why?

It seems perfectly clear.

The OP asked a question.

Because the OP was an example- of a very large group from somewhere, supporting something or other, going to another place a long way away against advice and instructions, and without masks, social distancing, etc - in the middle of a pandemic, with a fast rising number of Cases, especially of a new variant.

And that people supporting that activity should not be allowed to break the rules others have to follow, often with great sacrifices.

Callistemon

Which is exactly what I said.
Yes, she did and they still went despite having no tickets.

Describing a hypothetical situation about English fans travelling to Scotland without tickets is a red herring as it did not happen.

I think it’s what’s known as ‘whataboutery’ Callistemon ?

NS has forbidden travel to Manchester ( how, God only knows)
But we could have fun guessing.

SueDonim

How about ‘decimated’ as well, Alegrias?

Oh, you're just trying to wind me up now ?

I think you have missed my point Kali2 and eroded the meaning of my posts absolutely and exponentially.

Decimated them, in fact ?

Alegrias1

Decimated them, in fact ?

I do feel sorry for Ms Sturgeon.

Some football fans are revolting.
(ie rebelling)
The problem is, they are giving responsible fans a bad name too.

It is UEFA, based in Switzerland, which made the decision, not European political leaders.

Callistemon

I think you have missed my point Kali2 and eroded the meaning of my posts absolutely and exponentially.

Well, apologies if this is how you feel about this. We can all interpret things in our own way- and this was mine.

Fans of whatever sport or activity should not have travelled against advice and rules just as we see the end of the Tunnel- and with rising cases of a dangerous variant, Scottish or Timbuktunese.

Missing my point again, Kali2