Should Nicola Sturgeon have discouraged Scottish Football fans without tickets from travelling to London?

I remember being taught not to threaten children with an action you are not prepared/able to carry out. Very interested in the implementation and management of NS new rule/law

James I of Scotland tried to ban football BTW SJV07 . He got assassinated. These two events may be linked, who knows?

Stop it, stop it, just spluttered my coffee down my nice clean football shirt ???

With all the effort people have put in over the past 18 months to stay safe and to help protect others why this football competition has been allowed is beyond belief.

It was UEFA which made the decision the Euros could go ahead all over Europe, presumably after taking advice from scientists and politicians etc.
It was not just the leaders in this country ie Johnson, Sturgeon and Drakeford.

It could all get worse as the final will be held at Wembley.

If VIPs, officials and politicians from other countries are to be let into the UK without quarantining, as has been suggested, then I can see that public trust will be eroded and people will just do what they want.

And now some Scotland fans who went to a London on a coach have tested positive for Covid.

FGS, can we have Hadrian's Wall back? Or even Antonine's Wall, I'd give up Dumfries and Galloway if we just didn't have to live with this constant victimisation.

Its our own country they've travelled in, but not for much longer I hope. Unlike the five plane loads of supporters of English teams who took the Delta variant to Portugal during the rather convenient 3 week Green List window that covered the time the football was being played there,

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9647361/Disaster-British-holidaymakers-EU-refuses-UK-white-list.html

Of course she should but She only does what she wants to do and as one of the other say you can’t fix “ Stupid “

She doesn't give a rats about England she only cares about getting as much money out of Westninster before they go Independent after the next referendum. Heaven knows what they will try to do with Balmoral. I hope they wait til the Queen has gone, which I hope will be another 10 years at least.

It’s the double standards that are infuriating, Alegrias. How can football fans be allowed to travel to London but other Scots are banned from going to Manchester? Yet no one is banned from going to Dundee, whose rates are as high as Manchester. ?‍♀️

PS Hadrian’s Wall is still there, though it needs a bit of TLC.

Well said Brownnow1564!

SueDonim

It’s the double standards that are infuriating, Alegrias. How can football fans be allowed to travel to London but other Scots are banned from going to Manchester? Yet no one is banned from going to Dundee, whose rates are as high as Manchester. ?‍♀️

I'm not disagreeing with that SueDonim. I said somewhere else that I think that the Manchester / Salford travel ban is weird and I don't know why they've done it. I hope its rescinded. I also don't think accusing Andy Burnham of playing politics is fair at all.

But I get mightily p***ed off with all the "She hates the English" carping and the complaining that she didn't stop the trains and planes. I mean, really?

No it wasn't for Nicola to stop fans travelling, it was Johnson to stop them entering England, after all Nicola stopped people from entering Scotland including those from England, even stopped Trumped for entering. Their country, their rules, our country our rules except wen don't have any.

MaggsMcG

She doesn't give a rats about England she only cares about getting as much money out of Westninster before they go Independent after the next referendum. Heaven knows what they will try to do with Balmoral. I hope they wait til the Queen has gone, which I hope will be another 10 years at least.

1) Its our money too

2) The Queen will still be HoS. I've explained that about 147 times.

3) The Queen owns Balmoral personally so she can still come to her wee house in the country as often as she likes

Your use of the word "they" is very telling, don't you think?

NannyDaft

Of course she should but She only does what she wants to do and as one of the other say you can’t fix “ Stupid “

What an unpleasant comment. She did discourage them by the way. As someone else has said how would you suggest she actually stopped them ? In the same way that Johnson has stopped people travelling in and out of the UK since March 2020 ?

Alegrias1

MaggsMcG

She doesn't give a rats about England she only cares about getting as much money out of Westninster before they go Independent after the next referendum. Heaven knows what they will try to do with Balmoral. I hope they wait til the Queen has gone, which I hope will be another 10 years at least.

1) Its our money too

2) The Queen will still be HoS. I've explained that about 147 times.

3) The Queen owns Balmoral personally so she can still come to her wee house in the country as often as she likes

Your use of the word "they" is very telling, don't you think?

Ridiculous comment about Balmoral. Is poster implying the Scots would steal it ??

Thanks for being patient enough to explain yet again Alegrias!

Its interesting to me though Lucca that people are so ill-informed about Scottish politics and independence and yet still feel that their view is worth sharing with all and sundry.

Free speech, I suppose.

If NS can’t stop the planes & trains then why even make a silly rule like that? She makes herself look daft. Though it’s all good cover for the story that the SQA in which she has the utmost confidence is now to be disbanded.

There have been travel bans in place between Scotland and England for much of the pandemic Sue. Same as there have been between Wales and England. For a while there were travel bans within Scotland, and I couldn't travel to my nearest city because it is outside my Local Council Area. But I know some who carried on anyway.

Most people will obey the rules but there will always be a minority who don't and this time, the minority were a bunch of very visible football fans.

So I disagree that it makes her look daft.

I was due to visit Dundee this weekend, we cancelled when we saw the stats. Fortunately we’d booked via booking.com and didn’t have to pay. If those from NW England were banned from Scotland NS should have closed off Dundee.

Alegrias1

Its interesting to me though Lucca that people are so ill-informed about Scottish politics and independence and yet still feel that their view is worth sharing with all and sundry.

Free speech, I suppose.

No ‘suppose’ about it.

Here’s an idea! We rebuild Hadrian’s Wall ( quickly...using fast dry cement/ concrete) man it with small cannons and target any trains / coaches coming this way ( or either way) ? and then borrow a Game Of Thrones dragon to mop up any stragglers.Where there’s a will there’s a way.

Given that the police in Scotland have said that they won’t be making checks on people’s activity and the police in Manchester say they can’t enforce Scottish rules in England, it is daft. Clearly the rules don’t work anyway otherwise Scotland wouldn’t have one of the highest rates in Europe.

Why not just give us the facts and let us make up our own minds? I’m fed up of being told what to do.

I agree Sue it’s impossible to ban train travel from different parts of the UK, in any case what about those visiting for other purposes ( not football.)

As a Scottish resident, I am most concerned about the Scottish fans possibly returning with COVID from their trip to football in England. Large areas of Scotland are in COVID level 0 or 1. England appears to have rapidly rising levels of the Delta variant notably in populated areas.
In my opinion, Nicola Sturgeon did the right thing by ignoring the bad behaviour rather than giving attention to it.
How could anyone enforce/police a ban? There is no border between England and Scotland yet.

Ridiculous comment about Balmoral. Is poster implying the Scots would steal it ??
I did say that as a joke on one thread.

Please don't take it seriously, anyone.

SueDonim

Given that the police in Scotland have said that they won’t be making checks on people’s activity and the police in Manchester say they can’t enforce Scottish rules in England, it is daft. Clearly the rules don’t work anyway otherwise Scotland wouldn’t have one of the highest rates in Europe.

Why not just give us the facts and let us make up our own minds? I’m fed up of being told what to do.

Why did we bother with rules at all then Sue? Why did we ask people not to travel all between certain areas through the whole of the last 15 months? It couldn't be enforced then either but now, suddenly, its a big deal.

The rules worked fine before, and kept our case rates down. We have a terrible rate just now. There is some thought that it could be because we have a lower rate of immunity in the population due to the positive effect of the rules up until now. 16 of the top rated areas out of 17 are in England. Let's not get carried away.

I've said that I don't understand why these areas have been chosen. I don't think they should have made that decision.