I have just about had enough of these contradictory covid19 regulations.

MissChateline

I believe that we do more testing than many other countries so our rates will look higher. Though I’m not convinced that the infection rates are particularly important. It is the hospitalisation and mortality numbers which we should compare. These are remaining relatively low.
I also find it interesting that 600 million LFTests have gone missing. And totally aside that 2 million people worldwide die each year as a direct result of poor air quality. Do we shut down the world’s economy? No we don’t…….but this may be a bit of a red herring…..
Anyway the Handmaids tale is starting……that’s me out for the duration.

Sorry MissChateline but my daughter's partner is on the frontline of analysing test results and what they actually mean for incidence rates. Your argument doesn't hold up. There is absolutely no doubt that incidence rates in the UK are higher than many other first world countries and it's nothing to do with government plots, manipulation of results, more comprehensive testing or anything else. If you believe that, you're in denial.

Ellianne - I certainly agree with that!

The idea that the government is enjoying the control measures is just plain crazy - it is hardly a vote-winner! Vote for us and we will stop you going out and seeing your friends! Roll up, roll up, vote for us and you will have the chance to wear a mask!!

this miserable island
Whoa, just because we've all lost trust in the government, just because promises have been broken and we're all frustrated, this is still a beautiful, uplifting island.
Glass maybe quarter full and all the rest of it, but we have to continue to be careful.

I believe that we do more testing than many other countries so our rates will look higher. Though I’m not convinced that the infection rates are particularly important. It is the hospitalisation and mortality numbers which we should compare. These are remaining relatively low.
I also find it interesting that 600 million LFTests have gone missing. And totally aside that 2 million people worldwide die each year as a direct result of poor air quality. Do we shut down the world’s economy? No we don’t…….but this may be a bit of a red herring…..
Anyway the Handmaids tale is starting……that’s me out for the duration.

What is happening in the UK is a government which has lost trust and too many people who think they can do what they want regardless.

Have you looked at infection rates in some other countries? Maybe the graph will answer your question. I communicate regularly with friends in Germany. The infection rates are a fraction of those in the UK. Most people have been prepared to follow the guidelines.

So……why is it that Europeans who have been fully vaccinated are able to travel freely between any EU countries? They don’t have to take tests or quarantine on return to their own country. Is there something about their vaccinations that makes them superior to ours.
For example if I was German I would be able to freely fly between my home in Germany and our place in the Canary Islands. I would only need to show proof of vaccinations.
What is happening here in the UK is political and not reasonable. It is about profit for the testing companies and this government wanting us all to stay on this miserable island and spend our money here to boost the economy.

Kali2

Callistemon

While people have attitudes like that, we're in for the long haul.

What about people who travel to European destinations at the moment? Surely that is irresponsible even if allowed?

Which is why I have argued that if they have to, they should do as most Europeans have to do when travelling to UK, eg PCR test before, PCR tests on day 2 and 8 and quarantine for 10 days.

So has the UK got something right?

What about countries on the green list?

MissChateline- it is possible to begin to live again, and still be sensible and careful. Why all those extremes all the time? Take it easy, see how it goes- enjoy without going crazy over the top!?!

As said, world gone mad- and in this instance, the price could be very high- a real gamble that we could all have to pay for, all over again.

Signing off before I blow a fuse, really.

We really do have to get on and live with this especially as most of us are fully vaccinated now.

Yes we do.
This is not going to go away. I've been in Hong Kong when SARS was rife, many people wore masks but it never occurred to us to do so.
If people want to shut themselves away for years there is nothing to stop them at all; it's so much easier now with online shopping, working from home etc.

We have to learn to adjust and adapt but get back to more normal lives.

Callistemon

^While people have attitudes like that, we're in for the long haul^.

What about people who travel to European destinations at the moment? Surely that is irresponsible even if allowed?

Which is why I have argued that if they have to, they should do as most Europeans have to do when travelling to UK, eg PCR test before, PCR tests on day 2 and 8 and quarantine for 10 days.

There were no “rules”. Indeed there was the legal requirement to wear a mask in indoor public places but most of the rest of the “rules” were advisory. There was never the “rule” that you couldn’t hug anyone.
What will people do when all of the restrictions are lifted on the 19th July as is being promised? (Though Im not convinced as this situation of control suits this government) Will you continue to cower behind your front door and sanitise your newspapers? Or will you go out and get on with life. Will you embrace your friends and family? Will you feel bereft that you no longer have groups of erring people who might be having fun to complain about and to be able to tut into your masks?
We really do have to get on and live with this especially as most of us are fully vaccinated now.

While people have attitudes like that, we're in for the long haul.

What about people who travel to European destinations at the moment? Surely that is irresponsible even if allowed?

I seem to be trapped currently between people who are suffering from extreme anxiety- bordering on mania and turning into agorophobia for themselves and their whole families- and others as some above, who have ditched all common sense and all precautions re Covid- whatever the consequences.

Same in politics- stuck between those on the extreme left determined to scupper Labour and any chance of beating Tories- and those at the other end who will agree, condone and more, Johnson and this awful Government.

Yep, the world has gone mad. And as I don't believe in God ... don't think anyone will help us. Despair.

growstuff if it was Mr and Mrs DoWhatYouLike along the road, fair enough, just avoid them, take care.

There's no reason to stoop to the low level of others.

When there are separate rules for those in charge, VIPs, politicians and celebrities it is fair enough to question why?

WHY?

Maybe brain fog hasn't helped but I have completely lost the plot on what the regulations so I am now just going about my business as normal but wearing a mask. One rule for us and another for this government and their cronies.

growstuff

Kali2

well there is no answer to that ...

God help us.

Unfortunately, I don't believe in God, so I don't think there is any supernatural help. I agree. While people have attitudes like that, we're in for the long haul.

neither do I btw!

The mistakes of this government are what is contributing to the idea among non-scientists that they know best and what they want to do is what is best to do.

We are indeed in it for the long haul.

Callistemon

I have abided by the rules, MissChateline as have my family.

However, seeing so many in the public eye blatantly disregarding them or skirting them as exceptional cases is infuriating.

I find (have found) much that those in the public eye do infuriating (and more). It makes no difference. I'll carry on reading the science and statistics from reliable resources and do what's right for me and others. There's no reason to stoop to the low level of others.

Kali2

well there is no answer to that ...

God help us.

Unfortunately, I don't believe in God, so I don't think there is any supernatural help. I agree. While people have attitudes like that, we're in for the long haul.

Exactly Luckygirl, it does beggar belief doesn't it. That's why I'm not believing it any more.

It beggars belief that the government cannot grasp that allowing large gatherings causes pain to those who could not be with a loved one as they died.

The us and them principle is why we are where we are - and why MH should have been sacked on the spot.

The government has got to stop making exceptions - it is just feeding those who do not understand the science and feel their own common sense will suffice.

Kali2

''Yes, I think as long as people keep hearing "Do as I say and not as I do" they will be increasingly frustrated.''

of course they are going to be frustrated- we are all going to be really frustrated and more- angry, really *issed off.

But allowing ourselves to drop all common sense and scientific facts and statistics, and taking daft risks, just out of 'frustration' - is going to help no-one. We are at a difficult cross-roads now in this pandemic- and we all have some responsibility to what happens next- throwing all caution to the wind because we are 'frustrated with this Government's behaviour, would be more than childish- blatantly stupid. Last thing we need is to be back in lockdown by this autumn.

I certainly wouldn't be travelling, that's for sure.

All very well thinking you may be fine in your own car travelling hundreds of miles across Europe etc but what if you break down? Even with both vaccinations I would be wary visiting family in France at all this year.