I have just about had enough of these contradictory covid19 regulations.

This is what we hear from people around us, the Press and TV, and travel agents, airlines, etc, every day.

Do you have people around you in a different place to the rest of us Kali2 ?
Because frankly that is NOT what I am hearing, most of the people around me have reconciled them selves to a U.K. or Autumn holiday this year, they are still more preoccupied with the hope of hospitality, theatres, cinemas, music venues, restaurants and pubs being able to open as normal whenever that day is likely to be. about a whole host of domestic matters- children not being sent home to self isolate, graduations being able to take place, weddings and funerals etc rather than what you are suggesting.
Unless of course around you is not the same place as around the rest of us

Kali2
what do you mean by follow the procedures
Well, stating the bleeding obvious, following the procedures laid down by the uk and the Spanish governments.
It’s that clear enough.

The procedure of PCR tests (a minimum of 3) and quarantine- applies to those who are doubly vaccinated too, btw.

MawBe

^And yeat many British people expect to be able to go to EU and other holiday places without tests either way or quarantine !!!! and yet the Delta varian is much more prevalent in the UK?^

Do they?

This is what we hear from people around us, the Press and TV, and travel agents, airlines, etc, every day. And this is what is happening with many holiday destinations in the Med now. I so hope they will not regret this bitterly as the Delta variant begins to spread there too.

Merystreep- what do you mean by follow the procedures- did they have to quarantine and have 3 PCR tests, and another extra for early release on day 5 (and still have PCR test on day 8 whatever).

BlueBelle

Well we have a beach event today, very limited, but I m off to it and I shall grab every good looking man and kiss them with my hand firmly on their bum

Go girl! ??
I look forward to tomorrow’s tabloids! ????

Well we have a beach event today, very limited, but I m off to it and I shall grab every good looking man and kiss them with my hand firmly on their bum

Kali2

People arriving from nearby European countries have to have PCR test before travelling, then strict quarantine with daily checks from Track and Trace, do day 2 PCR test, then day 8 PCR test again, and have to pay extra on top to do early release PCR test on day 5. Cost about £450 per person.

And yeat many British people expect to be able to go to EU and other holiday places without tests either way or quarantine !!!! and yet the Delta varian is much more prevalent in the UK?

Talk about 'exceptionalism'!

Is it more prevalent - or do we have better testing and sequencing?
And do we in the U.K. “ expect” to travel without tests - bearing in mind our vaccination rate is higher than most other European countries?
But perhaps you do have influence in high places as Angela Merkel is leading a push to block the British tourists who usually spend lots of cash during their week in the sun, calling for an EU-wide quarantine on arrivals from over the Channel due to the danger of the Indian coronavirus variant.
She has won the backing of her French counterpart Emmanuel Macron to exclude visitors from the U.K. , even as EU nations try to open up within their common borders.
Somebody seems to be agreeing with you Kali2

MayBe70 Its not totally pertinent that we have a huge numbers of cases of Delta varient in comparison to other countries - there are two reasons for this. One: we are now testing far more people daily than almost every other country - more testing equals more results and, Two: Our genome sequencing is the best in the world - the UK alone provides around 50% of the genome sequencing data that is passed onto the World Health Organisation. In essence, we do not really have loads of cases in comparison to other countries - its just we are testing more people and hence discovering more cases. The so-called Kent varient likely did not mutate in the UK - we were just the first ones to spot it. Hence the WHO change to labelling variants according to the Greek alphabet - rather than to specific countries.

Any large event taking place currently is classed as a test event - and visitors need to provide either proof of double vaccination or a negative test. Supposedly the Euro bunch are going to be kept in strict bubbles including accommodation and testing will be regularly used - it at least will be useful in letting us know if we can allow larger capacities for outdoor events.

Exactly do they
A friend went to Spain for business 3 weeks ago: followed all procedures.
One of his employees will be going to Spain on the 12 July: she will be following all procedures.
A friend will be going to Thailand on business on the 18 July: all procedures will be followed.

Should read “ without restrictions”

MawBe

^And yeat many British people expect to be able to go to EU and other holiday places without tests either way or quarantine !!!! and yet the Delta varian is much more prevalent in the UK?^

Do they?

I think lots of British people feel that because so many of us have had both jabs, we should be allowed to travel abroad on holiday with our restrictions. That is certainly what friends are saying to me.

But even countries with better vaccination rates than us, like Israel, are now having problems and reintroducing some restrictions. And countries with tighter border controls than us have outbreaks and are having local lockdowns.

I really don’t know what to think at the moment.

My understanding is that any EU citizens who has had both vaccinations can travel test an quarantine free anywhere in the EU. If the vaccine is good enough for these people why is it not adequate for us to be able to do the same.
It would be fantastic if my wife and I could actually be able to be in the same country and to be able to travel easily between our homes.

And yeat many British people expect to be able to go to EU and other holiday places without tests either way or quarantine !!!! and yet the Delta varian is much more prevalent in the UK?

Do they?

People arriving from nearby European countries have to have PCR test before travelling, then strict quarantine with daily checks from Track and Trace, do day 2 PCR test, then day 8 PCR test again, and have to pay extra on top to do early release PCR test on day 5. Cost about £450 per person.

And yeat many British people expect to be able to go to EU and other holiday places without tests either way or quarantine !!!! and yet the Delta varian is much more prevalent in the UK?

Talk about 'exceptionalism'!

love0c Have you always been concerned about those who are lonely or suffer from anxiety?

The contradictions are the problem.

My DD and her OH make their livings running outdoor orchestral concerts which are normally attended by thousands of people. They made nothing last year - all their events were off.

And this year? - they are allowed 4,00 at each concert and have massive problems organising this - keeping concert-goers social distancing, making sure that toilet facilities have the right precautions, dividing the orchestra at safe distances, stewarding the audience's behaviour. All this has to be covered by detailed risk assessments and get past LAs and environmental health - a massive logistical operation over several locations. And once again they will make no money as they are unlikely to reach break-even. They have been working their tripe out to make the concerts happen and keep them alive. They are all exhausted.

And what is happening on one of their concert days?.............140,000 people are going to be allowed to attend the British Grand Prix! Imagine how they feel about this.

There need to be rules, but they need to be the same for everyone.

Israel have just reintroduced mask wearing and (I think) social distancing as the infection rate has shot up even with their highly successful vaccination programme. (this from DH: I haven’t read it myself yet). I still remain fearful for Australia given that they have another outbreak. Careful as they have been, with so few people being vaccinated a community spread could literally spread like wildfire.

I am more fearful of being tracked and traced and having to isolate when I feel perfectly fine.

I totally agree. Despite itching to contribute to this discussion from the start I have sensibly refrained as my view are very much to the “let’s get on with life” direction and very little patience with the “I haven’t stuck my nose out of the door for 15 months” brigade I for one will burn my mask the second it is not illegal to wear it in shops etc.
However I do think it is telling that 600million free LFTests have gone unaccounted for. I have a couple of packets but haven’t opened them and if I did use one under no circumstances would I log the results. It is NOT a NHS track and trace system but a Serco system and I would not trust them with any personal information whatsoever. Neither would I download the T&T app for the same reason. There are too many false contacts being identified and the possibility of a £10.000 fine for leaving the house is ridiculous. I also refuse to provide personal details when out in cafes or restaurants and have always been told that it’s OK if I don’t want to.
I have had both jabs and this nonsense should stop now.

This virus is still very much with us. A child in my DGDs school tested positive and the whole year was sent home for 10 days, even though it was the other class to hers. There are 2 classes to each year. 6 days later a child in her class has now tested positive. So it's a good job they were all sent home to isolate.
Can't understand why the whole football team were not told to isolate. Stupid decision really

MayBee70

Why is the thought of catching covid irrational? Maybe fear of being abducted by aliens could be regarded irrational but not fear of catching something that could kill or result in long covid.

Agree

MayBee70

Why is the thought of catching covid irrational? Maybe fear of being abducted by aliens could be regarded irrational but not fear of catching something that could kill or result in long covid.

For myself only I have had both vaccinations so Covid killing me or suffering from long Covid is very unlikely.
I would not have attending two vaccination appointments or accepted a vacinne that in itself has some risk be it minimum if I wasnt going to trust it
Everybody is different I personally accept that I am no longer fearful of Covid I am more fearful of being tracked and traced and having to isolate when I feel perfectly fine Hopefully this will change soon as it now has on Jersey no longer a need to isolate but test daily

Why is the thought of catching covid irrational? Maybe fear of being abducted by aliens could be regarded irrational but not fear of catching something that could kill or result in long covid.

Whitewavemark2 Definitely good advice. Listen and read scientific evidence for yourself. Then use your common sense. There is being careful and getting on with life and then being overtaken by irrational fear. that is the point I was trying to make. I find it incredibly sad knowing so many people are very lonely through irrational fear.

I think more people need to be educated in the concept of a risk budget.

The government is not really interested in keeping you, as an individual, "safe" The government is interested in keeping the number of inter-personal transactions as low as possible to stop overwhelming the hospitals and have large mortality rates that they have to take responsibility for.

So in March 2020, those of us who could stay at home needed to stay at home. Those who needed to make sure the country was fed, safe from crime and looked after in hospital, had to go out. There's no inconsistency except for in the minds of people who haven't thought it through.