A question

Baggs

Alegrias1

Not all laws are equal.

Animal Farm again.

Thou shalt not hug thy grandchildren.

Thou shalt not be allowed visits in a care home from your spouse of many years even when it's one of the few things that would get through your dementia-based confusion and make you happy in your last few months of life.

My DN was allowed to stand and talk to her weeping mother, who has dementia, through an open window throughout a freezing winter and is now allowed to hold her hand once a week (no hugging!) after a Covid test.

In the meantime ...
No, I shall get very indeed if I post any more.

Don't really bother with politics. Do remember the small matter of 'weapons of mass destruction' that Blair used to take us into war. Didn't the same government steer us into economic failure needing a massive bail out of the banks. Labour were supposed to represent the working man but seemed to follow Thatcher's policy of killing the unions by destroying industry and sending manufacturing jobs abroad.
This government may have faults but they have actioned Brexit, the job they were voted in to do, and are working hard to fight Covid. Now we are ahead of our European partners with vaccination that, God willing, will free us from the stranglehold of Covid.
Is the phrase "can't see the wood for the trees"? No, the behaviour of some individuals in government is not good but overall they seem to have a good handle on things.

Alegrias1

Beckett

To put it another way - how much do people distrust the Labour party that they are prepared to continue to support the Conservatives?

Other parties are available.

But it's like banging your head against a brick wall voting for one of the other parties here.

We need to stop being shocked by the antics of politicians, and learn to expect them.

Statements like this are a red rag to me.

What the hell do people think that government of a nation is supposed to be for?

If they belonged to a club of some sort would they expect the club's committee to lie and cheat, use their membership for personal advantage, and break the rules (the rules that they themselves make) and be perfectly happy for them to do so?

We might as well not bother to have a government at all if all it's going to do is freeload and enrich its friends and supporters at the expense of the country's population.

What has happened to the 'British values' that we're supposedly so proud of? Our government violates all of them and people say we just have to get used to it. It's sickening beyond belief.

Haha! This is good too ?

Alegrias1

Its an interesting phenomenon that even when somebody admits that the Tories have acted despicably, its very often followed by the other lot are just as bad. As though it was no more than we could expect. I do think that maybe many people just don't care and can't see what impact all this has on their day to day lives?

I agree Disco. It’s not about not caring. It’s about taking responsibility for yourself, and not relying on others to do it for you. If Matt Hancock flouts the rules, it doesn’t mean we have to. We have to keep ourselves safe as best we can, and in so doing, the people we love.
We need to stop being shocked by the antics of politicians, and learn to expect them.

Kate Andrews says it well, I think.

DiscoDancer1975

Whitewavemark2

DiscoDancer1975

They have behaved appallingly. I would bet if the boot was on the other foot, ie, we had a Labour government, or any other come to that, we’d be seeing exactly the same thing.
They’re all liars. It’s a necessary requirement for the job!

That’s an interesting remark.

Perhaps you could provide a list from the last Labour government so that we can verify that opinion?

Are you saying the Labour government have never put a foot wrong? You surely know that’s not true! I’m not a Conservative voter....more dissatisfied with all of them. I’m just trying to point out they’re all massively flawed. The sun doesn’t shine out of any of them.

No? I certainly am not. But I am suggesting that you would be hard put to find historically a democratic government in the U.K. so corrupt, immoral etc as this one.

If there is one that comes close I would be very interested to know, just to look at the historical period and the attitude of its supporters.

Alegrias1

^Not all laws are equal.^

Animal Farm again.

Thou shalt not hug thy grandchildren.

Thou shalt not be allowed visits in a care home from your spouse of many years even when it's one of the few things that would get through your dementia-based confusion and make you happy in your last few months of life.

Not all laws are equal.

Animal Farm again.

Whitewavemark2

DiscoDancer1975

They have behaved appallingly. I would bet if the boot was on the other foot, ie, we had a Labour government, or any other come to that, we’d be seeing exactly the same thing.
They’re all liars. It’s a necessary requirement for the job!

That’s an interesting remark.

Perhaps you could provide a list from the last Labour government so that we can verify that opinion?

Are you saying the Labour government have never put a foot wrong? You surely know that’s not true! I’m not a Conservative voter....more dissatisfied with all of them. I’m just trying to point out they’re all massively flawed. The sun doesn’t shine out of any of them.

Whitewavemark2

Perhaps we ought to take it one at a time.

Let’s just try law-breaking.

Anyone like to defend that?

Not all laws are equal. That something is against the law does not automatically make it wrong. That something is wrong does not automatically make it illegal.

Just a general remark.

On the Hancock issue ?‍♀️Never liked him. Don't care what happens to him politically. Never liked lockdown, face covering, social distancing "laws" (weren't they always called guidance?). Not that I had to obey them anyway: Nicola made us a set of our own ?, some of which have been inhumane in my view.

Lucca

Can’t believe what I am Reading. Minimo so you think Hancock’s actions are just fine ?

Please let's be clear, Lucca. Hancock's little affair is not among the traits listed by the OP. It would be sad if we were diverted by that, which is his own private affair, instead of looking at the corruption which pervades the whole government.

Of course, the unscrutinised appointment of his mistress to a post which pays £15,000 for 15 day's work a year (and is, apparently, a post which involves an independent oversight of his performance) and the awarding of numerous NHS contracts to the company her brother works for DO fall within the OP's list...

Can’t believe what I am Reading. Minimo so you think Hancock’s actions are just fine ?

I cannot agree Minimo, this ‘lot’ are truly beyond the pale and yes I’m afraid I did vote for them as I didn’t want Corbin.

Alegrias1 I have seen both in Government and know which I prefer!

minimo15

Personally I don't care as long as they stay in control.

Why?

What have they done for the UK and its citizens that is so overwhelmingly good that you are prepared to tolerate traits that you wouldn't wish your friends and family to have (or perhaps you'd be cool about that, too?) ?

'Vaccines' and 'the Labour Party wouldn't have done any better' do not count as justifications..

Ooops, many similar posts .

minimo15

Personally I don't care as long as they stay in control.

Not much evidence of Hancock being in control of some of his baser instincts in that picture.....

However, this post is why people keep voting Tory.

minimo15

Personally I don't care as long as they stay in control.

Interesting.
Why do you feel it's so important for people who do all those bad things, to be in control of the UK?

Its an interesting phenomenon that even when somebody admits that the Tories have acted despicably, its very often followed by the other lot are just as bad. As though it was no more than we could expect. I do think that maybe many people just don't care and can't see what impact all this has on their day to day lives?

‘At the moment’ not monument sorry

Affairs have been rife in governments for years.

There was no mention of 'affairs' in the OP.

Surely that question applies to any political party. Tories do not have a monoply on those “qualities”

So you're perfectly comfortable those 'qualities', Spice101?

It's absolutely fine that this is the most overtly corrupt government in our lifetimes because 'everybody does it'?

Nobody really cares about the blooming affair. COVID rules and lack of honesty with public money is what we're worried about.

Exactly.
Do tory voters really still support these people whose efforts, during this massive worldwide emergency, have been towards furthering their own (and pals') interests, rather than the UK population's interests?

Or, if I've got it wrong, can they explain why I am wrong?

P.s. Comments such as "I like Boris, he cheers me up." won't cut it.

I think you will only preach to the converted on this thread WW

Surely that question applies to any political party. Tories do not have a monoply on those “qualities

But they do at the monument spice is that a half hearted
defence ?