Sajid Javid

Such kindness from so many Gransnetters, thank you so much to all of you for thinking of me and mum. The great strength of Gransnet is that we support each other through the difficult times. Your reassurances help. She is vaccinated and she’s had Covid already, so hopefully her resistance will be good.
You are absolutely not callous Whirewave. An old lady of 101 would have found lockdown very difficult and it was most likely the kindest thing for her. My friend’s mum died just before lockdown too and my friend felt it had been the kindest thing. My mum survived the initial lockdown on her own all the time. We got her shopping, added to our click and collect, and cleaned it for her. I phoned or FaceTimed every day, but I felt so sorry for her, all alone. I was relieved when the support bubbles were allowed, so we could visit her properly. Of course, that’s how we ended up with Covid ourselves, but that’s another story.

MaizieD

^I also think that those who don't have loved ones who are working as usual (particularly those who are working in public-facing roles) may have a different mindset from those who don't.^

My ex son-in-law is working in a secondary school. They have continued with a masks for all policy and they notably haven't had any outbreaks since it was implemented. Unlike other local schools. He has the greatest respect for the dangers. Being 'public facing' doesn't necessarily mean being reckless...

Sorry, my post was nonsensical, and I've only realised after seeing the bit you quoted.

What I thought I'd said was that those who DO have loved ones working (particularly in public-facing roles) may have a different mindset from those who don't.

Worrying that one's son or daughter is increasingly likely to catch Covid because the double-vaccinated are insisting on going back to 'business as usual' now that they are no longer at risk is probably different from seeing the easing of restrictions purely from one's own - dare I say selfish -point of view.

Maddyone, sorry to hear about your mum. I hope things go well for her and she misses Covid as well.
WWMk2 it’s not callous. I understand your feelings about your Mum. We lost my 90 year MiL before she would have been in lockdown and I’m so grateful because her life revolved round going out, chatting to friends and others or sharing coffee.

maddyone

I’ve just got back from the hospital. My 93 year old mother has been hospitalised again following another fall. I hope she doesn’t pick up Covid again. She’s been vaccinated so hopefully she won’t.
A bit off topic, sorry, but obviously it’s bothering me. We live in a fairly low Covid area, but the cases have been going up.

Oh I am sorry to hear of your worry.

It sounds a bit callous but my mum died in the January 2020, for which I have been eternally grateful - she was 101.

If it is any consolation, I think that hospitals have got much better at prevention than initially was the case, and we must all hope that the vaccine holds the line.

We are also living in a low covid area but it is rising exponentially at the moment

Maddyone so sorry to hear about your mum wishing her a speedy recovery

Sorry to read about your mum maddyone, I hope she recovers soon.

maddyone I hope your mum is ok

MerylStreep totally agree

maddyone

I’ve just got back from the hospital. My 93 year old mother has been hospitalised again following another fall. I hope she doesn’t pick up Covid again. She’s been vaccinated so hopefully she won’t.
A bit off topic, sorry, but obviously it’s bothering me. We live in a fairly low Covid area, but the cases have been going up.

Thinking of you.

It is absolutely normal to worry, hopefully though there are enough infection control measures in place to stop spread from ward to ward. Hopefully she has some natural immunity now too.

Thank you for your kindness and reassurance Jane. I suppose I worry because she picked up Covid when she was in hospital in December. But the cases were much higher then, and she wasn’t vaccinated either.

Someone mentioned asthma up thread. Asthma wasn’t a ‘shielded’ illness, although I was shielding myself as far as possible. Nonetheless I caught Covid from my mother and was hospitalised, so asthma probably should have been on the shielding list.

maddyone

I’ve just got back from the hospital. My 93 year old mother has been hospitalised again following another fall. I hope she doesn’t pick up Covid again. She’s been vaccinated so hopefully she won’t.
A bit off topic, sorry, but obviously it’s bothering me. We live in a fairly low Covid area, but the cases have been going up.

I x posted

My MIl went in in February and spent a month in one hospital before a month in another and had only received one of her vaccines and didn't catch it, fwiw. I hope your Mum's stay isn't too long

Lots of people have had to give and receive care throughout.

I was thinking about supermarket workers yesterday though when i was in ASDA. They only have that little pathetic screen up in front of them but you have to pack your shopping where there is no screen at all, right next to them. Some of the cashiers looked quite near retirement too. Not sure I'd fancy it

I’ve just got back from the hospital. My 93 year old mother has been hospitalised again following another fall. I hope she doesn’t pick up Covid again. She’s been vaccinated so hopefully she won’t.
A bit off topic, sorry, but obviously it’s bothering me. We live in a fairly low Covid area, but the cases have been going up.

Excellent post Scrub.

I don’t disagree with you on anything you’ve said Whitewave, And I agree with Maizie’s post also. As I said, I think vaccination for children is probably going to come around, because it’s spreading such a lot amongst children. I believe the powers that be are proceeding cautiously because we know that children respond differently than adults to medicines and treatments. That’s why many drugs licensed for adults are not licensed for children. I have no doubt that the scientists and medics are watching carefully what is happening in America with regard to children. It’s very tricky, we don’t know the effect this vaccination might have on children. I hope it will go well and children can be vaccinated, because that would make the children and everyone else safer.

GrannyGravy13

I think those who have worked as usual throughout the last 15 months have a different mindset to those folks who are retired and have been able to stay home by choice.

It’s a good job I didn’t stay at home and scrub me cabbages and bleach the post.
My daughters business would have folded but even worse is the situation where I support a neighbour in the early stages of dementia. There’s no telling what can crop up.
Perhaps some of the experts here could explain how I can reset her tv and remote while outside her house, or turn the freezer on when she discovers she’s turned it off and can’t work out how to turn it on. Any ideas anyone?
That would be a no, wouldn’t it.

Quiet correct Shrub ??

Whitewavemark2

Shrub

The trouble with most politicians is that they have done politics, philosophy and economics at university. We need more scientists who understand how the natural world works!
I don’t usually contribute to News and Politics threads, so don’t expect me to come back. I just felt I had to say it! ?

? good post though

Seconded.

Shrub

The trouble with most politicians is that they have done politics, philosophy and economics at university. We need more scientists who understand how the natural world works!
I don’t usually contribute to News and Politics threads, so don’t expect me to come back. I just felt I had to say it! ?

? good post though

The trouble with most politicians is that they have done politics, philosophy and economics at university. We need more scientists who understand how the natural world works!
I don’t usually contribute to News and Politics threads, so don’t expect me to come back. I just felt I had to say it! ?

Long covid in children is a real and significant concern for the medical profession, services are being set up to support them and their families.
news.sky.com/story/covid-19-nhs-to-launch-long-covid-services-for-children-12332812

At our business we have had to jump through so many hoops to stay open (in some form) throughout.

Definitely never been reckless in deeds or attitudes.

I also think that those who don't have loved ones who are working as usual (particularly those who are working in public-facing roles) may have a different mindset from those who don't.

My ex son-in-law is working in a secondary school. They have continued with a masks for all policy and they notably haven't had any outbreaks since it was implemented. Unlike other local schools. He has the greatest respect for the dangers. Being 'public facing' doesn't necessarily mean being reckless...

Being 'delighted' that you (and by this I mean anyone who shares the delight of the quoted poster) are able to get out and about because you have been vaccinated shows no respect for the people who have restricted their lives in so many ways when you were vulnerable. Can't you just hang on until everyone has been double vaccinated and the Delta variant is not running rampant? It really comes across as an 'I'm alright, Jack' attitude.

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Well said, Doodledog. I absolutely agree with you.

People keep pointing to deaths being very low, but they seem to ignore the fact that Long Covid exists, which can be life altering, that allowing covid to spread unchecked increases the danger of vaccine resistant strains developing and that we don't know what the long term neurological effects will be. Also, much of the world isn't vaccinated which increases the dangers if borders are opened and people can move freely around the globe.

It keeps crossing my mind that our parents endured nearly six years of privations and separations and loss of their nearest and dearest in WW2, but some of us can't stomach 18 months of difficulties. I know this won't make me popular

GrannyGravy13

I think those who have worked as usual throughout the last 15 months have a different mindset to those folks who are retired and have been able to stay home by choice.

Yes, I think that is probably true, and all the more reason why we need to be led by science, not political dogma, or people pressurising ministers to move he goalposts to suit their wants now that they are vaccinated, whilst leaving others exposed.

I also think that those who don't have loved ones who are working as usual (particularly those who are working in public-facing roles) may have a different mindset from those who don't.

maddyone

Whitewave, do you not agree that vaccination for children should be proven safe for children before the license is given? Asking because you said you didn’t agree with the rest of my post.
Incidentally there are many children in this country who are not yet twelve years old. The USA are being cautious, quite rightly, in only lowering the age of vaccination to children of twelve or above. Children often react differently than adults to drugs or treatments. We cannot be too careful where children are concerned.

Absolutely, but the USA is actively pursuing vaccinating all children.

I refer you to Maizie’s post 10. 45 with which I entirely agree.