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The public should have a debate on the monarchy Billboards

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Grany Wed 07-Jul-21 10:58:15

With Billboards across the country. What do you think?

£14,186 have already been raised of £30,000 target. With over 600 supporters.

Two updates.
Thank you to everyone who has helped us raise so much so quickly.

Republic has been able to book 12 billboards up and down the country, with more to come.

This will be one design (to be confirmed) that will be repeated in Aberdeen, Paisley and Glasgow, Newcastle, Leeds, Liverpool, the Potteries, Birmingham and Portsmouth.

We'll then work on additional designs to go up in Wales, London and other parts of England and Scotland.

The more we raise, the more billboards go up!

I think it's time for a debate, instead of hereditary queen king. We could choose who we want to be our Head of State

Alegrias1 Wed 07-Jul-21 14:09:25

So first the country will be divided over whether to keep the monarchy

Its already divided, we just don't get to vote on it.

Who are "you folk"?

But I know, all this democracy, its a chore, isn't it?

Chestnut Wed 07-Jul-21 14:11:04

Spoilt for choice.....or an opportunity for more hate and division?

Smileless2012 Wed 07-Jul-21 14:15:09

You posted Alegrias "As for who would be head of state, we've answered that about 146 times". Well I've just looked at the first link you've provided and the only two 'suggestions' on that page are a "Putin type" and "Piers Morgan" so I'm rather confused.

So, I looked at the second link you provided and the suggestions there are "Jenny from Gogglebox", "Gary Lineker", "Marcus Rashford" and your personal support of "One of the Siddiquis" if one of them stood.

Wont waste my time looking at the other two links you provided as each is only one page each, I fail to see how the remaining 140 out of the 146 you say have already been suggested as head of state will appear on only 2 pages!!

Alegrias1 Wed 07-Jul-21 14:20:56

That's the trouble with many Royalists, no sense of irony where the monarchy is concerned.

Plus I noticed you missed the 2 serious candidates I mentioned right before Mr Rashford, in the same post, but have conveniently decided to ignore. Not that I think Rashford isn't serious.

Sarah Gilbert and Jocelyn Bell Burnell.

Smileless2012 Wed 07-Jul-21 14:25:44

No I didn't "Conveniently decide to ignore" them Alegrias I genuinely missed them. So does that mean then that the two pages on the last two links you provided contain 138 of the 146 you posted have already been suggested, and do you really think that a "Putin type", "Piers Morgan", "Jenny from Gogglebox" and "one of the Siddiquis" should be regarded as actual suggestions?

MawBe Wed 07-Jul-21 14:26:04

You posted Alegrias "As for who would be head of state, we've answered that about 146 times

And you post 4 links.
Does that count as an exponential decrease?

Smileless2012 Wed 07-Jul-21 14:28:50

A very big "exponential decrease" MawBe

Grany Wed 07-Jul-21 14:29:54

The process of moving from a monarchy to a democratic head of state is pretty straightforward.

The move will only be made once MPs and the public agree to it, although the politicians only have to agree to a referendum, and let the voters decide the rest. So once polling is consistently showing support for the move and politicians have been persuaded to act the following steps are needed:

A law is passed by MPs allowing for a referendum and voters then get to decide if they want to make the change.
If voters vote 'Yes' then a date is set for the election of the head of state and the introduction of new rules that will govern the reformed political system (which will be in the form of a new constitution).
As part of this process parliament passes the Crown to the people - which means that Crown properties such as the Crown Estate remain with the nation.
On a date a few days or weeks after the election the new head of state will be sworn in, the new constitution takes effect and the monarch retires from office.

Rosycheeks Wed 07-Jul-21 14:37:22

But! dont politicians swear an alligence to the crown?

Rosycheeks Wed 07-Jul-21 14:39:43

Sorry posted to earily. The crown being head of state i.e. The Queen

Alegrias1 Wed 07-Jul-21 14:54:37

I genuinely missed them.

Direct quote from my post:

My recommendations for President - Sarah Gilbert, Jocelyn Bell Burnell, Marcus Rashford. People of honour who represent the best of British values.

Yet you didn't miss Rashford? Should've gone to Specsavers.

AcornFairy Wed 07-Jul-21 15:14:30

Grany

The process of moving from a monarchy to a democratic head of state is pretty straightforward.

The move will only be made once MPs and the public agree to it, although the politicians only have to agree to a referendum, and let the voters decide the rest. So once polling is consistently showing support for the move and politicians have been persuaded to act the following steps are needed:

A law is passed by MPs allowing for a referendum and voters then get to decide if they want to make the change.
If voters vote 'Yes' then a date is set for the election of the head of state and the introduction of new rules that will govern the reformed political system (which will be in the form of a new constitution).
As part of this process parliament passes the Crown to the people - which means that Crown properties such as the Crown Estate remain with the nation.
On a date a few days or weeks after the election the new head of state will be sworn in, the new constitution takes effect and the monarch retires from office.

Who would decide who will be eligible for candidacy for HoS? Would there be a limit to the number of HoS candidates? Who would draft the "new rules that will govern the reformed political system"?

Smileless2012 Wed 07-Jul-21 15:31:18

It was your post on the third link you provided that mentioned both Gary Lineker and Marcus Rashford Alegrias. So the post you have quoted is not the one I referred too so when I say "I genuinely missed" something I did, and I resent any suggestion that I am not being honest.

Now that we've cleared that up, what about all the other suggestions for a head of state that will amount to the 146 you claim have already been made?

Alegrias1 Wed 07-Jul-21 15:37:45

Now that we've cleared that up, what about all the other suggestions for a head of state that will amount to the 146 you claim have already been made?

No, not really. ?

Grany Wed 07-Jul-21 15:37:51

If you live in Ireland or the US, for example, you can go to a book shop and get a complete copy of the constitution, which tells you how the country is run, who has what power and who decides who gets to be in government or become head of state. Both constitutions are fairly clear and easy to read – the US one slightly less so because of its age – and both provide a clear framework, a set of rules, that no-one can simply ignore.

We can have a properly written constitution

Our head of state is constitutionally pointless. People claim she is independent and above politics. Well, she’s not. The Queen is there to do as she’s told by the prime minister. So why bother with a head of state at all if the PM is exercising her powers? Well, there is a role for an independent head of state, one who can guard the constitution and represent the nation. The Queen is a fig leaf for excessive government power, nothing more.

A constitutional monarchy

People often talk about Britain being a parliamentary democracy, but we’re not. We’re a constitutional monarchy that has a parliament. And there is a difference, which is the Crown in parliament and the lack of limitations on the parliament or government. The answer is a genuine parliamentary democracy, taking everything we have and making it democratic. A fully elected parliament, sovereignty of the people enshrined in a written constitution and an effective, elected non-partisan head of state.

That’s a constitution we can all have a hand in shaping, and which we can all then vote on, and change through clear, accessible democratic processes. And it’s one that we can all be proud of in the future – a parliamentary democracy run by the people for the people, and a head of state who is one of the people.

Callistemon Wed 07-Jul-21 15:39:21

MawBe

^You posted Alegrias "As for who would be head of state, we've answered that about 146 times^ “

And you post 4 links.
Does that count as an exponential decrease?

???

Callistemon Wed 07-Jul-21 15:40:54

I vote for Gareth Southgate ?

Yay, I could get into this!

Callistemon Wed 07-Jul-21 15:41:51

Oh dear, Gareth just messaged me.
He doesn't want the job.

Dinahmo Wed 07-Jul-21 15:42:07

Grany We can still have a constitution - if the politicians would get round to it. The way the nation is at the moment we could end up with Johnson as our head of state, or the American version which would be even worse.

Alegrias1 Wed 07-Jul-21 15:44:53

Dinahmo

Grany We can still have a constitution - if the politicians would get round to it. The way the nation is at the moment we could end up with Johnson as our head of state, or the American version which would be even worse.

I dare say Johnson could do a lot less damage sitting in a carriage and waving than he is doing right now.

Callistemon Wed 07-Jul-21 15:44:59

The public should have a debate on the monarchy Billboards

I've had a good think about this, debated with myself and decided I don't want any Monarchy Billboards littering the country.
Thank you.

Gossamerbeynon1945 Wed 07-Jul-21 15:55:48

Careful what you wish for. Could end up with someone like Trump.

Smileless2012 Wed 07-Jul-21 15:56:59

Did he say why Callistemon?

Callistemon Wed 07-Jul-21 16:02:57

He said he's just too busy Smileless!

I think he has too much respect for The Queen

Smileless2012 Wed 07-Jul-21 16:05:57

I think you're right about him having too much respect for the Queen Callistemon but I can't understand why he's too busy; is there something important going on at the moment?grin