Little Britain - the state of England today

poshpaws

Dinahmo don't you realise how very patronising it was of you to write "Why aren't you all caring about the wrongs? And, if you do, why aren't you doing something about it?" ?

I'm actually finding myself quite offended by that.

I campaign daily to try to get the tory voters and the other racists and the "I'm all right Jack, the poor can just starve" people to see reason, but quite frankly it's almost always a lost cause.

I donate to food banks, to various charities, and I speak up when I think my voice is needed. I used to write to my MP - though have now given up, as he's incapable of formulating a single thought of his own and apparently believes the sun shines out of Johnson's ass - and I do lot of online campaigning, which is all I'm capable of as I'm suffering from Long Covid.

What more do you suggest I do?

I accept that many of you are doing as much as you can but many aren't. I agree with you about writing to MPs. The current one in my constituency does respond. The previous one accused me of being indoctrinated and so I stopped writing to him since there was nothing to be gained.

When I wrote the OP I was very angry at the state of affairs. More so than I was over Brexit.

Exactly Lucca the OP did not move to France for more toilets, but she did seem pleased. I did not move to France for a swimming pool and tennis courts, but I was well chuffed and I had a sense of humour about it.

This thread has become ridiculous. People leaping to conclusions like salmon. The OP did not move to France for a house with more toilets. Read the thread properly for goodness sake.

Oh Maizie calme-toi.
I could say you are the one to always make unpleasant comments about me!
Don't you have a brain of your own? Nice, thank you. I won't cite my academic qualifications here for you to ridicule. Just to say I was employed for many years settling families abroad and understand aspirations. I follow comments through because that us my training and I find the subject fascinating.

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What a very unpleasant assumption to make.
Not really, just following through on previous comments made about this throughout the thread. It must have sounded strange for several posters to comment.

Does that not take us back to the OP then who seemed more delighted to move to France for the amount of land and the number toilets acquired, rather than to embrace French culture

What a very unpleasant assumption to make.

Not sure if nanna8's judgement of 'crap' applied to your statement, but I think it should.

Talking about crap and toilets, (sorry!), Theres a good book about someone living in France called "A year in the merde!"

nanna8

Toilets! Now I've heard it all for (imaginary) reasons for emigrating! Ssshish... What a load of crap.

Toilets! Now I've heard it all for (imaginary) reasons for emigrating! Ssshish... What a load of crap.

Catrina Davis:- 'Homesick'/'Why I live in a shed' - best analysis I've seen of the situ in England

Mamie

Yes people seeing their new country through rose-tinted glasses are deeply annoying, I agree. Especially as in my experience they often seem to be the ones who have yet to learn the language and engage with the reality of life in France. But as I have said before, they mostly seem to go home again.

Does that not take us back to the OP then who seemed more delighted to move to France for the amount of land and the number toilets acquired, rather than to embrace French culture? I think that might have been what niggled posters.
I agree, why move abroad and not engage in the lifestyle? Often it is due to a lack of funds as well as ignorance as I witnessed time and time again.

Chewbacca

^By 'here', didn't you mean the country you're living in, mokryna? Not the UK?^

Oh! Following mokryna's posts @ 21.43 and 22.34 I understood it that she is resident in the UK MaisieD. Maybe not......

Try re-reading 21.43.

Yes people seeing their new country through rose-tinted glasses are deeply annoying, I agree. Especially as in my experience they often seem to be the ones who have yet to learn the language and engage with the reality of life in France. But as I have said before, they mostly seem to go home again.

Is that really the case though? Were the UK media all pushing hard for a Labour victory at the last election?
I may live abroad, but I think my comprehension skills are still in reasonable shape.

Mamie I think sometimes there is a tiny bit of jealousy involved. (I wish I had been born French, but probably for very superficial reasons!)
Some expats harp on about how the grass is always greener rather than just saying things are different, no better, no worse.

The British public is being ‘nudged’ to death by those who seek to push their own agenda. In the country most citizens are able to see this for themselves which is why the last few elections and referenda have gone in the opposite direction from that which the media were pushing.
That's such an interesting observation Lilyflower. I've noticed time and time again that British people can easily be led but they cannot be driven. The media beating everyone with a big stick just has the opposite effect. People see it as strength of character not to be pushed around or beaten down and the more they are portrayed as being stupid or evil the more they will stick to their guns.

I am quite intrigued by the posters saying "you shouldn't criticise the UK if you don't live there", given that they quite often then seem to go on to criticise other countries.
Does that mean that only those us who lived somewhere for decades then moved away, can't say anything about a country we are not living in or does it apply to everybody? In which case I am not sure why people on here would post criticisms of France (for example), especially as the source often seems to be entirely based on UK media.
Can anyone enlighten me?

Anyone who takes their world view from the ultra biased Channel Four, and from overseas, to boot, is receiving a distorted view of a generally happy, successful and prosperous country.

I suggest the OP reads rather than watches the news, moreover, reads from a variety of perspectives and seeks out primary rather than secondary sources. A person doing this will quickly see that actual numbers,statistics, graphs and primary research are constantly distorted by single agenda opinion formers.

The British public is being ‘nudged’ to death by those who seek to push their own agenda.

In the country most citizens are able to see this for themselves which is why the last few elections and referenda have gone in the opposite direction from that which the media were pushing. Outside of the country there would be no chance a person could see for themselves the realities of daily life and the added blinkers of a biased media outlet would compound the distortion.

I would entreat every single person to keep themselves properly well informed, to eschew the emotive and rely on sense, not sensibility.

Callistemon

mokryna

Chewbacca

Regarding why immigrants do not wish to settle here is mainly because they speak English as a second language.

I thought that they did want to settle here precisely because they mainly speak English as a second language mokryna?

Have had some drink with the raclette.

Is that why you posted:
I campaign daily to try to get the tory voters and the other racists
ie saying anyone who votes Tory is by default a racist?

Perhaps that's not what you meant?

My MP is a Tory and always seeks out the answers and replies to any of my queries; that may be because he thinks that might persuade me to vote for him.

Or perhaps your MP is actually trying to help you. As for saying all Tory voters are racists, I would love to know what percentage of the racists, who abused those three England players , actually voted Labour, quite a few I would guess at. Although much of it came from outside the UK, to denigrate a huge amount of people as being evil, because that is what you’re saying, is bigotry itself. Last time I shall involve my self with Grans net.

mokryna

Wong

Please don't live abroad and then criticise your country of birth!!! England is a great place to live when taking in to consideration all the s* that is going on everywhere else in the World. There ae many faults but so many more advantages to living in the the UK

I don’t wish to criticize the UK however I feel my human rights have been ignored regards to being able to vote as a British Citizen born in England, whereas in other countries eg France people have the right to vote for life. I do pay taxes in the UK.

The day the Brexit results came in I felt really ill, sick, sad. People here gave their condolences, I felt all I stood for rejected. Since then I have had to take another nationality, they have excepted me with kindness.
I can see from the outside what is happening to the UK I love. The rich are laughing all the way to their off-shore banks. The poorer will have their cheaper food in the first instance at the cost of global warming, NHS will be a very small public part, the rest private. There are so many other daily instances people can see looking in from the EU but the majority of the voters seem blind to the lies.
Regarding why immigrants do not wish to settle here is mainly because they speak English as a second language.

Why did you have to take another “nationality”. British by birth you remain so, no one forced you surely. Immigrants , or do you mean Asylum seekers, there is a difference, choose to come here because they speak English, they may have family here already. Enjoy your new home, there is much wrong here, and in every single country in the world, but I would rather live here than in a country my niece felt uncomfortable in due to racism and homophobia. Yes enlightened France.

By 'here', didn't you mean the country you're living in, mokryna? Not the UK?

Oh! Following mokryna's posts @ 21.43 and 22.34 I understood it that she is resident in the UK MaisieD. Maybe not......

Many apologies to mokryna - my post should be addressed to poshpaws

And I can't blame the drink as I didn't have any!
Just tiredness

My post was to mokryna btw.