Policing the party

But GagaJo the reference you used in the original post you made when you started the thread related to Corbyn? I agree with you on one thing though, he needs to be forgotten about.

It’s not actually all that long since he faded from centre stage, and of course you had to move on from that embarrassment Gaga so am not surprised you don’t want it mentioned.
However, he needs talking about because he ruined the LP and their chances of getting into power, not to mention welcoming into the fold all the hard left who Kinnock managed to get rid of.
Yes, he’s gone but not forgotten and is the reason that the Conservatives did so well at the GE.You know that, I know that, everybody knows that.Unless Starmer can find a way to
Either unite or kick out the hard left again there is a problem.
I think he could be a good Leader but needs to have the courage of his convictions, and his handling of the Angela Rayner was weak, he wanted to fire her, so he should have done, not allow himself to be talked out of it and hand her even more power.

The thing that gets me (well, one of many) is that the right wingers on GN winged on and on about how adored Corbyn was, Corbynistas this, the Corbyn cultists. On and on. And pretty much EVERY leftie on here has LONG since moved on. He's gone. We've long since moved on.

But STILL the right-wingers keep harpying on. Shows who the truly obsessed were and it ain't us lefties.

lemongrove .
It’s a cold and lonely place to be on the right of the left - or it would be if it wasn’t so crowded here.

Who’s that Grany.....anyone who’s a member of the LP who isn’t a Marxist?

The right ??

trisher

I wonder is it anti-semitic to refuse to engage with some Jews, because they are left wing?
www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/statement/labours-action-plan-for-driving-out-antisemitism-will-do-no-such-thing/

Agree trisher

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The Right has painted itself into a corner. Having concocted accusations of anti-semitism in order to achieve a political objective, it now finds it necessary grimly to carry on, so that its calumnies are not shown up to be merely opportunistic. The more it invents rules, stifles debate, prefers exclusion to education, the flimsier its arguments are seen to be, and the more they divert from the real task of confronting serious anti-semitism.

Corbyn did effectively alienate Jews in the UK though trisher because he knew about but didn’t deal effectively with anti-semitism in the party. There is no excuse for that whatever the factions. It’s a bit rich of you to criticise Starmer for not managing to do what Corbyn couldn’t. At least some progress is being made now, although clearly not to the satisfaction of the left, which would be impossible.

Anyway, this is going round and round and we are destined not to agree - as usual I’m afraid.

Casdon I'm left wing I post left wing views. You don't like them that's fine, you don't have to read them. Why on earth should I post something I don't believe in?
Can you imagine the shrieking headlines if Corbyn had excluded a whole group of Jews? Say the right wing Jewish Board of Deputies? The accusations of anti-semitism would have deafened us all. Jewish Labour have a long and proud history of supporting the Labour Party. They are experienced and knowledgeable. They should be listened to.

If their modus operandi is out of sync with the majority of the Jewish communities, particularly those within the UK then yes trisher I’d say it isn’t anti Semitic, in the same way that parties don’t negotiate with the National Front, or extreme religious sects for example.

It would also be helpful if you could post more balanced views of these issues rather than from the perspective of the left wing only?

I wonder is it anti-semitic to refuse to engage with some Jews, because they are left wing?
www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/statement/labours-action-plan-for-driving-out-antisemitism-will-do-no-such-thing/

gaining ground

Casdon

The pandemic has predisposed the public to support the party in power Zoejory, which always seems to happen at times of national crisis (they want to feel safe probably, so put more faith in the leaders). However, the tide is turning, despite the disarray remaining in the Labour Party.

I tend to agree with you, Casdon. If it hadn't been for covid I think that we'd be feeling the effects of Brexit more strongly and the opposition would be more popular. They are gaining round, now, though...

The pandemic has predisposed the public to support the party in power Zoejory, which always seems to happen at times of national crisis (they want to feel safe probably, so put more faith in the leaders). However, the tide is turning, despite the disarray remaining in the Labour Party.

Well the Conservatives have become a completely different party- chucking out the moderates and taking over UKIP. they should maybe change their name as well.

Casdon

Latest opinion polls show the tide is beginning to turn too.
c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1089190066?-850:14274

I've mentioned this before. How Labour aren't streets ahead at this time I have no idea.

Mid term of a normal government usually shows opposition in the lead.

Even now they haven't managed it.

Latest opinion polls show the tide is beginning to turn too.
c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1089190066?-850:14274

We can have our own options of him of course, but that doesn’t mean he won’t ensure that the party implements the action plan Monica - I believe he will do his utmost to make sure it happens despite the naysaying from the left.

There is nothing more damning than describing someone as good and honourable, but

Sadly, Keith Starmer is a good and honourable man, but he is temperamentally not a politician and is totally unsuited for the unprincipled cut and thrust of adversarial politics.

Memories are shorter than I thought - the party suspended Corbyn as a consequence of the report if you remember. I won’t sport with peoples intelligence by pointing out that it’s all there, on the Internet, the Labour Party response to the report, the committee, the implementation difficulties, the debacle in Liverpool, etc. etc. Starmer is a good and honorable man, but he can’t walk on water and implement years of endemic bad practice in 9 months.

So Casdon would you like to tell me anything Starmer has done to implement the recommendations of the investigation?
For example that the Leader's office shouldn't interfere in due process in the party
You've put a link to the report. Can you tell me how many of its recommendations Starmer has enacted?

That was in 2017 trisher wasn’t it? When he was leader? We’ve moved on since then.
www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/investigation-into-antisemitism-in-the-labour-party.pdf

M0nica You obviously move in very different circles. Here's Mr Corbyn outside the Sage in Gateshead with a crowd of supporters. Most of whom recognise his lifetime of work for peace and equality. Which is why he has 2 Peace prizes.

What about Forde Report

Isn't this hypocritical when you and David Evans have just sacked
@UKLabour
staff and are hiring on insecure contracts?
You can't convince the nation that you support workers if you don't support the party's own workers.
Actions speak louder than words.

Sacking own staff, suggesting 2% for NHS staff, not taxing the rich, supporting austerity measures etc etc. What a great platform to build upon!

Mt Corbyn must find all that respect from abroad very comforting when there are so few in this country who have any respect for him.