So many dreams for our youngsters dashed.

Callistemon

Kali2

Why? They are not refusing to employ one nationality- they are treating all 3rd countries the same.

Sorry, you said Ski Companies are now refusing to employ British youngsters which is discrimination against one particular nationality.

Was that a misunderstanding on my part?

If all third countries, why the sudden discrimination against them all, by insisting on EU passport holders only this year?
They may find themselves short of staff if so, or are they anticipating another poor season because of Covid?

The adverts do not say 'NO Brits' but 'only EU passport holders need apply'.

This is not a sudden discrimination- it has been the same for 3rd country nationals for the EU.

The EU is a 'club' where all members access some special conditions. Just like any club. Have you ever tried to play gold at the club you used to be a member of and pay subs- after you left and stop paying your subs?

Look at driving licences- if you are an EU citizen going to live in another EU country, you can just use your licence everywhere- after 1 year, you have to exchange it for the licence of the country where you are resident (DVLA keeps the old one, and will re-issue if ever you move back to UK). 3rd country nationals have to retake their licence in full- apart from a few countries which have made a specific arrangement with EU. And the same happened to people from Europe who moved to UK, before 1973. It's a simple concept really.

There is no discrimination it’s exactly the same in the UK, employers do have to check the passport of employees and will get prosecuted if employing those without a permit. That has been the law for many years.

There is a lot on nonsense on this thread

This is not a sudden discrimination- it has been the same for 3rd country nationals for the EU

Can you explain this concept of third country nationals please?
What are first country and second country nationals?

MawBe

^This is not a sudden discrimination- it has been the same for 3rd country nationals for the EU^

Can you explain this concept of third country nationals please?
What are first country and second country nationals?

Really, Maw? Really? You don't know what a 'third country' is?

I think you're being disingenuous..

Here is a page of search results which will help you

www.google.com/search?q=why+are+non+eu+member+states+called+third+countries&oq=why+are+non+eu+member+states+called+third+countries&aqs=chrome..69i57.31905j0j8&client=tablet-android-asus-rev&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

In Europe, ... third country national is often used for any person who is not a citizen of the European Union within the meaning of Art. 20(1) of TFEU and who is not a person enjoying the European Union right to free movement, as defined in Art. 2(5) of the Regulation (EU) 2016/399 (Schengen Borders Code).

Something else we gave up because we thought it wasn't worth anything.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_country_national

oops, cross post!

The third country situation has been discussed on lots of threads. I mentioned it on this thread. It was on lots of Brexit threads, it was on a fishing thread (talking about shellfish I think), and elsewhere including Ireland discussions if I remember correctly.

It's what some of us (who wanted to retain some EU rights and responsibilities post Brexit) were afraid of.
Now our government has chosen it.

MawBe

^This is not a sudden discrimination- it has been the same for 3rd country nationals for the EU^

Can you explain this concept of third country nationals please?
What are first country and second country nationals?

There is no such thing as a "first country". However, that describes the 27 counties that are members of the EU. The EU countries pay full membership and agree to keep the rules all the members agree.

The next level would be those countries in the EEA or EFTA pay the EU to be in this looser arrangement. They also have to agree to some rules to be in these intergovernmental organisations.

Third countries do not pay for any form of membership. They do not agree to any of the rules except on an ad hoc basis.

I have tried to keep this simple but am happy to be corrected on this.

EFTA pay EFTA which pay

NotSpaghetti

The third country situation has been discussed on lots of threads. I mentioned it on this thread. It was on lots of Brexit threads, it was on a fishing thread (talking about shellfish I think), and elsewhere including Ireland discussions if I remember correctly.

It's what some of us (who wanted to retain some EU rights and responsibilities post Brexit) were afraid of.
Now our government has chosen it.

I think there are some who just do not realise that by chosing to be completely outside the EU we are completely outside the EU and the EU is treating us as we have been asked to be treated. Heaven knows why they didn't realise this is what would happen.

This whole thing seems to have affected young adults right up to their 30s worst of all. That's a big chunk of the workforce having to unnecessarily reassess their lives. This transition time is unsettling for them in particular.

On the upside the youngsters not yet adults still at school will have had time to adjust to the new situation, to review their plans and to make their choices around it. From what is presently seen of adolescents and the greater challenges they face like climate change, the evils of social media, property prices and so on, this group may well be unconcerned about new Brexit regulations and 2016 will be a good decade past.

No one knows at this moment in time whether things will be better or worse for them. It could go either way for them.

No one knows at this moment in time whether things will be better or worse for them. It could go either way for them.

Of course, it could. We could also be burnt to a crisp, drowned or wiped out in a pandemic. But we chose to leave the EU. The government are supposed to prepare and defend us from these challenges. They are supposed to use what is known and the resources of this country. They didn't; they are still not doing so.

Any government in the 21st century has an enormous task because the world is changing far faster in this new millennium. Due mainly to advances in technology. Any government wanting to go back to how things were a decade or two ago will be viewed as a real dinosaur.

Moving on from what has happened, what is needed is not a govt. who will defend us from the challenges or a govt. sitting on its laurels, but a govt. which will embrace the inevitable changes.
At the moment this isn't on the cards, other than the struggling Green Party vision in certain areas.

I completely agree beanpole Any government in the 21st century has an enormous task because the world is changing far faster in this new millennium, so surely cutting itself off economically from its nearest neighbours, isolating from geographically close markets is irresponsible? How does a responsible country hold a summit about climate change at the same time as exchanging easy trade, by a quick ferry in many cases, for everything coming thousands of miles by air or sea freight?

I think there are some who just do not realise that by chosing to be completely outside the EU we are completely outside the EU and the EU is treating us as we have been asked to be treated. Heaven knows why they didn't realise this is what would happen.

I think its a combination of 2 things PippaZ.

First, so much of what we took for granted we actually had because we were members of the EU and despite what they were told before the referendum, many people just didn't think that much would change.

Secondly, I think there is an element of British exceptionalism and some people are more inclined to think that the EU is out to get us, just because we're British.

Secondly, I think there is an element of British exceptionalism and some people are more inclined to think that the EU is out to get us, just because we're British

if you are gullible enough to read The Daily Express, this is what you read most days.

Let’s be clear in the context of the EU and Brexit, 3rd country status in the past was any nation not an EU member.
Now there is no 1st and 2nd country, just EU and non EU we no longer have any special relationship unless specific agreement has been made, some have

The sad thing is leavers were hoodwinked, nothing that was promised has occurred, despite 'remoaners' trying to explain it. I am gutted for my gc and how much harder they have it, and how torn this country is under the Tories.

I have often wondered whether many of those voting leave were people, who apart from an occasional package holiday had never travelled abroad, never worked in industries where people moved between here and overseas and, until the influx of Eastern Europeans into the country, who they generally saw as coming in and taking their jobs, knew very few Europeans and generally couldn't see what the EU had done for them.

While remainers were more likely to have travelled more, mixed with European immigrants in professional jobs, been grateful to their Dutch GP or French dentist and were very aware of the advantages of seamless travel around Europe, whether on business or pleasure.

Sometime back I asked whether anyone on this thread could give an example of a positive advantage we immediately got from Brexit comparable with the negative effect the shortage of lorry drivers has caused. So far no one has listed anything.

Nobody will list the positives MOnica but many will pop up to tell you they are fed up with you asking them to tell you. Happens to me frequently. My fault apparently for not accepting the situation.

It is a valid question though M0nica
There must be something, surely?

I know there were some things posted on another thread ages ago which were apparently benefits but some just were wrong - and a couple of them were EU things we had adopted slightly ahead of the EU.

Katie59

Let’s be clear in the context of the EU and Brexit, 3rd country status in the past was any nation not an EU member.
Now there is no 1st and 2nd country, just EU and non EU we no longer have any special relationship unless specific agreement has been made, some have

I thought I was clear.

MOnica In the first two paragraphs of your last post, you have (perhaps inadvertently) described the kind of "metropolitan elite" whom those who voted to leave despise. Your description of those who voted to leave implies that they have an inferior experience of the world. That could very well be true, but people don't like being told. Dominic Cummings and those who "won" the referendum by using psychology knew this and partially explains the result.

M0nica

I have often wondered whether many of those voting leave were people, who apart from an occasional package holiday had never travelled abroad, never worked in industries where people moved between here and overseas and, until the influx of Eastern Europeans into the country, who they generally saw as coming in and taking their jobs, knew very few Europeans and generally couldn't see what the EU had done for them.

While remainers were more likely to have travelled more, mixed with European immigrants in professional jobs, been grateful to their Dutch GP or French dentist and were very aware of the advantages of seamless travel around Europe, whether on business or pleasure.

Sometime back I asked whether anyone on this thread could give an example of a positive advantage we immediately got from Brexit comparable with the negative effect the shortage of lorry drivers has caused. So far no one has listed anything.

Not in my experience around here - I was astonished when we discussed this with many neighbours post-referendum; all well-educated, varied career paths including MDs in industry and well-travelled.
I think the most discussed point was the bureaucracy and the waste of money.

Yes Callistemon I agree, the lumbering bureaucracy is expensive and unwieldy, nothing is 100% perfect, I too have friends who are educated, professional, well travelled, even owning second properties within EU countries who then voted to leave, I can't quite work out why. I suspect they are wondering the same .