Prince Andrew is being sued

Epstein’s PA is considering suing Andrew, he groped her and she has a witness - Virginia Roberts

25Avalon Is underage sex rape?

Yes.

Asking for it, was she?

Didn't fight back?

It just gets worse.

The thing I don’t understand is the rape allegation. She seemed to be willing albeit coerced by Epstein and didn’t seem to have been forced by PA (assuming he was there and IMO he was). Is underage sex rape? This case is so sleazy.

It is a civil case for compensation not a criminal court.

Whitewavemark2* which Windsor? there are many of them.

Another woman is considering suing Windsor.

I believe both lied

According to the Daily Mail online this morning, there have been lies on both sides and they have evidence of this.

If Virginia Roberts has lied, this will obviously affect the credibility of her case.

I am not victim-blaming but the evidence needs to be weighed up to get to the truth.

ex husband.
apparently she says she is lucky enough to be a guest at royal lodge so doesn't have to do any cooking or food shopping.

I think that women of her age and background were taught to turn a blind eye to what they probably see as ‘indiscretions’.

I know what you mean about Sarah Ferguson though. Knowing that your husband has done that can’t be easy to take.

I feel sorry for the Queen. At ninety five, whoever you are, you do not need or deserve this in your life. I wonder what the poor woman thinks about her own son’s alleged behaviour.

None of us properly know the facts of the case, but it certainly has an unsavoury whiff about it. I’m not sure that we’ll be much wiser after the hearing, but I hope that we will be. I don’t think Prince Andrew will leave the country to give evidence, or give us a proper account of his behaviour at that time. I seriously don’t know how Sarah Ferguson can stomach him.

PA won’t be sweating over it.
Let’s all blame the victim seems to be the mantra on here ( as long as it’s a woman )

But she hasn’t sued any American who raped her.

To all the people whining on about ‘Why is she only suing Andrew?’

She has already sued and received settlements from Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

I think its similar to lack of understanding of coercive control.

JaneJudge

Unfortunately when I read threads like these I'm reminded how closed minded people are about abuse and grooming

You are so right Jane. I find some of these comments so difficult to read showing as they do such a lack of understand about grooming and abuse and questioning the morals and intentions of victims of crime. None of us knows what went on with PA but if is suspected of involvement in the traffic of young people for prostitution then he should be questioned and so should his protection officers. If he is innocent he has nothing to fear.

Nacky Great post.

galaxy , there are so many issues because of apps and the internet facebook but other apps. I have known of several girls who have just fallen under the radar who have 'gone missing' for a few days with a man and I know I'm not a professional but it does make me question where best interests decisions come in and whether these decisions made are made with capacity

Germanshepherdsmum

Some posters on here are like a mob baying for blood when no-one other than the parties concerned knows all the facts. One poster even suggested the claimant was the same age as Andrew’s daughters - he wasn’t even married at the time. The anger of the mob is frightening to behold. I suspect much of it arises purely because a member of the RF is involved - posters may remember his bravery in the Falklands War but no, I’m not excusing him because of that because there is nothing to excuse until proven otherwise in a court of law, not the court of public opinion.

This is rubbish! PA was indeed married at the time of the alleged offences and had two young daughters not very much younger than the young woman in the infamous photo. Remember his 'alibi' for the evening that photo was said to be taken? Pizza Hut in Woking with daughter. When I first saw the photo I just thought it so odd that three such high profile and rich people (Jeffrey Epstein is said to have captured the image) were choosing to spend time in a private house with a young American girl from a sad and deprived background - it just does not make sense in 'normal' life. Why was she there and what for? It seems very likely this vulnerable teenager was being prostituted and if PA was involved then no amount of war bravery should protect him from justice. Traffic of people in this way is not legal in the UK, the Met should be involved.

I havent seen it personally thank God Jane, but yes some of the most vulnerable in our society. Although I I have just seen a job advertised in my area by a charity whose function is to provide advocacy support and counselling to young women with a learning disability who have been assaulted, whilst depressing that this was needed it was the first time I had seen such an organisation with only that specific remit, and I was relieved that level of support was out there.

One poster even suggested the claimant was the same age as Andrew’s daughters - he wasn’t even married at the time.

Andrew and Sarah married: 1986, divorced 1998
Beatrice born 1988
Eugenie born 1990
Alleged attacks; 2001

Being divorced does not give anyone carte blanche to act how they like. If he committed a crime, he needs to pay for it, There was 5 years between Beatrice and Virginia. Respect for a man's war record doesn't mean he gets to disregard the law.

Check your facts before you start throwing around accusations of mob rule. Nobody, not one person here, has said that they are out for Andrew's blood or asked for him to be judged without a real legal process. Lots of people have tried to discredit Giuffre, say she's only in it for the money, cast doubt on her morals. Its those people who are the mob, not those asking for justice. Don't kid yourself that he's being picked on for being a Prince.

Galaxy

Actually if it makes you feel any better I would feel the same about my local plumber. But then older men behaving this way with teenagers makes me feel sick. What does he was not married at the time have to do with anything.

I imagine you may see how older men behave with young adult females who have learning disabilities and to be honest when you have witnessed that, there is no making excuses any more for men and how they can behave

I feel like I am going to get into trouble for posting this but its true (and I have sons, a husband )

Perhaps rich didn't have so much to do with it but it certainly helped.