Does Briton have a moral duty to take in as many Afghan refugees as possible?

It was reinforced by a Tory M.P. that that had there been a vote many would have voted against the government.

bear1

we should only take those that helped our troops when they were out there, seeing so many men already coming here as illegal immigrants and thousands trying to get on a plane they should be staying and resisting those who want to conquer them instead of fleeing and leaving their familys behind to their fate

The Taliban will (probably, once the cameras have gone) target educated women. Girls refused education as before. Women who have divorced their husbands in previous years thinking they wouldn't have to deal with forces such as the Taliban (2017 article here)
medium.com/@faribanawa/a-growing-number-of-afghan-women-divorcing-despite-taboo-b73bb1b1bcf3

I was thinking the same. Tobias basically said the decisions being made were not what the majority of the house wanted.

I cannot stand all the heckling and joking

Tom Hugendhat speech extraordinarily powerful

Tobias Elwood - speech devastating

Not sure how Johnson will survive this long term.

The answer to the OP is yes, we do. In my opinion.

gosh its disgraceful

Note

It took the Taliban less time to take Kabul than it took Raab to return from holiday

Theresa May “where is global Britain on the streets of Afghanistan?”

Johnson speech was dreadful. Starmer showing what we expect from a leader of the U.K.

Lots of criticism from the Tories.

I am watching too. For a minute I was confused who our PM is/was and tbh I still am. Theresa May has put him to shame too

Watching the debate.

Apparently covid has disappeared from the government benches and it is all over on the opposition benches.

What an example to give to the country!

I’m coming to the conclusion that PPatel has little idea of what she is doing! 5,000 a year is a drop in the ocean. What will the other 15,000 do while they wait several years to be evacuated? In previous times when people have had need to be evacuated they have been evacuated as quickly as possible and they were found temporary homes until a more permanent solution could be found. Surely that needs to be done now and once here the skills they can offer should be used to help everybody - we are told the U.K. is having problems recruiting people with all sorts of skills - these people may well be able to fill some of those gaps.

I say 'home', I mean here but it is of course some of their 'home' anyway.

I have even donated money to help nowzad who are trying to get the rescue dogs and vet staff home.

I’m not saying it would be easy. Nothing worth doing is.

But perhaps you can tell those left behind what they should be doing to escape Taliban wrath?

It is not as easy as you seem to suggest Whitewave to get everyone out straight away. There has to be order. Just look at the chaos at the airport by allowing a free for all. The taking off of planes had to be abandoned. No decent person would stop entry to our country to anyone who worked to help the Afghan people have a civilised life. It has to be done in a controlled way. Heaven forbid we allow any terrorists to gain entry into our country through lack of control. This is not being cruel but safeguarding ourselves at the same time as looking after Afghan people.

So we are generously going to save 5000 Afghan people this year.

No point in following that up as they will all be punished by the Taliban by then and Patel is still determined to stop what she terms as “illegal” entry by those lucky enough to have escaped and made it to the U.K. by dingy.

Aldom

Absolutely, yes.

NB. That's not a reply to Growstuff I meant Absolutely, yes we do have a moral duty to help.

Absolutely, yes.

But it's the ones who have tried to do most in the past who are the most likely to be executed. Can you really sit by and let that happen?

we should only take those that helped our troops when they were out there, seeing so many men already coming here as illegal immigrants and thousands trying to get on a plane they should be staying and resisting those who want to conquer them instead of fleeing and leaving their familys behind to their fate

There is no chance that he wont pass the issue of Afghanistan on to another president. He might not pass military involvement on, although I wouldnt hold my breath on that either, but the after effects of this decision will be felt for years.

Not all Afghanistan men were trained, or armed, to fight the Taliban. This blanket accusation against all the men is - my opinion - unjust. Those that were appear to lack the confidence to carry on without the foreign forces to lead them; their own PM left, where was the leadership to come from?

The withdrawal of US/UK etc troops looks to have been very badly planned and I sincerely believe that our PM and Joe Biden have been given poor intelligence in how things would play out.

I'm so disappointed in Joe Biden, that speech last night has gained much approval from the general US population with his continued reference to how much money has been spent (not invested, spent) in Afghanistan, how keen he (Biden) was to not pass this on to another President (Biden is 7 months into his 4 year role so what was that supposed to mean)? It's very fair to say that this wouldn't/couldn't be a lifetime commitment for US troops to be deployed to Afghanistan, but the departure has clearly been done before the Afghanistan people were ready to take over the running of their own country.

Yes. Our area has offered to take people from Afghanistan. I know my town has taken interpreters.

Lots of the refugees who leave these worn torn countries are educated and professional people such as doctors, nurses and engineers. Why don’t we look on it as an opportunity for the people in such an awful situation but also for Britain and utilise their skills? The country needs medical staff and the people coming in who are trained will be a great asset and people such as them also tend to be very loyal to the country they see saving them.