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“Recollections may vary”. Harry and Meghan (again - I know!)

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MawBe Thu 19-Aug-21 07:36:38

This may be a pot shot too far, now they seem to be including the Queen in their self- righteous whingeing.
(Not that I am biased)
Apparently Duke and Duchess of Sussex believe the Queen failed to take “full ownership” of the race allegations made in their interview with Oprah Winfrey, according to the authors of the unauthorised biography Finding Freedom.
A “friend of the couple” (unnamed, of course) has apparently told Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand that the Queen’s lack of action had prevented the Duke and Duchess from moving on from the claims.
The source also suggested that the Queen’s assertion that “recollections may vary” had not gone down well.
(It did however rank IMHO as one of HM’s all-time greatest bons mots )
The Queen has until now been one of the only senior members of the Royal family to escape the Sussexes’ criticism, but this new epilogue to Finding Freedom, published in People magazine in the US, suggests that the Duke and Duchess feel frustrated that the Duke’s grandmother did not follow through with her promise to address their concerns.
It says: “The Queen’s ‘recollections may vary’ comment ‘did not go unnoticed’ by the couple, who a close source said were ‘not surprised’ that full ownership was not taken
Just one question, if this book is “unauthorised”, does it or does it not reflect their views? Or is it an example of letting somebody else put words in their mouths so that they can deny them afterwards if necessary? All these “unnamed friends,” and “close sources” - aye, right.

Calendargirl Mon 23-Aug-21 16:15:49

Yes Grany plenty of people will have respect for Charles, just as they do for his ‘mummy’.

How are the banners/posters/signs going BTW? Haven’t heard much about them lately.

Mollygo Mon 23-Aug-21 15:33:58

It’s an unquantifiable question.
Enough ‘people’ will have respect for Charles, though it’s quite likely that those who don’t will be the ones who get their voices heard in the press and on the media. I expect there’ll still be the around the same number of royalists and anti-royalists as there are now, still saying same-old, same-old things. Each group thinking they represent the majority.

Grany Mon 23-Aug-21 14:14:33

Do you think people will have respect for Charles to be 'king' as they had for his mummy?

Lots of countries have republics and are doing very well by the way, there is a better alternative for our country.

Calendargirl Mon 23-Aug-21 14:07:24

Camilla and Andrew Parker Bowles were married in the Guards Chapel in London, not Scotland .

Princess Anne’s second marriage took place in Scotland.

Calendargirl Mon 23-Aug-21 14:00:28

I don’t think it was a case of them not being ‘allowed’ to marry in church, I think it was just felt more appropriate that they did it how they did, if that makes sense. Plus several years had elapsed by the time Harry and Meghan married, times change.

Charles has said he will be ‘defender of faiths’ not ‘defender of the faith’ when he becomes King.

As for Camilla being Princess Consort, I read in the Telegraph magazine only this morning in a feature about Camilla, that In 2018, Clarence House removed all references to ‘Princess Consort’ from its website. ‘He will 100 per cent insist on her being Queen’ says a former courtier. ‘The references to Princess Consort infuriated the Prince.’

I think Charles will have the final say on how his wife will be titled, when the time comes.

lemongrove Mon 23-Aug-21 13:51:27

The Duchy sell very nice biscuits, mind you.

eazybee Mon 23-Aug-21 13:50:16

Charles and Camilla could have married in the Church of England as he was a widower and she was married in the Church of Scotland, but they chose not to because of the controversy it would provoke.
As for H&M I have no idea but if she married in the Jewish faith perhaps that would not count. Divorced couples can marry in the CofE in exceptional circumstances but only if the priest agrees.

Jabberwok Mon 23-Aug-21 13:47:11

I can only suppose that either attitudes have changed over the years, or that Charles and Camilla took the Churches teachings seriously, and Meghan and Harry regarded their nuptials as just a 'spectacle' so an exception was made for them. After all remember, what 'Meghan wants Meghan gets', and this would have been no exception! The RF , as it turns out foolishly, bent over backwards to accommodate these two about every thing they wanted. Talk about the road to hell etc etc!

MawBe Mon 23-Aug-21 13:46:57

Give it a rest Grany we all know where you are coming from and your anti-Royalist posts are becoming increasingly predictable and less relevant to the thread title.

Grany Mon 23-Aug-21 13:38:15

Make a good team of spending public money day in day out They don't work hard none of the RF work hard they hardly work at all.
There is no payback in tourism

Monarchy is ridiculous

Wills can't wait to get the Duchy after Charles guaranteed over £20 million and increasing, which should go to the treasury No corporation tax or capital gains tax even though MPs say they should pay tax. And the tennents are not allowed to buy their land.

maddyone Mon 23-Aug-21 13:29:34

I wonder why, given the circumstances of Charles and Camilla’s wedding (not allowed to marry in church due to Camilla’s divorce and ex husband still alive) that Harry and Meghan were allowed to marry in church with a big televised wedding. We were only allowed to see photographs of Charles and Camilla outside the church. Meghan’s last husband was both still alive and Jewish, and it has been reported that Meghan converted to Judaism in order to marry him. She then was baptised and confirmed into the Church of England in order to marry Harry. I don’t understand why the two couples were treated so differently.

Anniebach Mon 23-Aug-21 13:05:17

I hope she will be Queen consort .

When they are filmed on visits they look so happy together and
neither hogs the camera.

sodapop Mon 23-Aug-21 12:13:07

Totally agree with your post at 10.22 Jabberwok Camilla will make an excellent Princess Consort, she and Charles make a good team.

Anniebach Mon 23-Aug-21 11:50:40

A divorcee marrying in the Anglican Church is accepted,
Megan was divorced.

Charles and Camilla were married in a registry office and then
had their marriage blessed in Church.

Jabberwok Mon 23-Aug-21 11:34:01

Rekindled their affair, not began it. Diana ( in 1985) had already fallen for and started an affair with Barry Manakee her married bodyguard which a year later led to his dismissal. James Hewitt followed in 1986,and quite a few after him. So fault on both sides it would seem

Jabberwok Mon 23-Aug-21 11:24:07

Really nice to see positive answers. Of course none of us is perfect and many many of people have marriage difficulties, finding happiness with another partner. Although sad, for most people this is now accepted without any stigma whatsoever,but for poor Prince Charles it is still, for some, a mortal sin.

eazybee Mon 23-Aug-21 11:21:31

There is the small matter of him becoming Defender of the Faith although the Church of England has relaxed its strict views on divorce and remarriage.
It doesn't bother me now, and I am not aware of there being a great deal of fuss being made, although people were disapproving, me included, when the news of their relationship first broke. Didn't like Diana, but she was a very young mother with children when they began their affair.

henetha Mon 23-Aug-21 10:46:55

A divorce andf second marriage is not too much baggage for me. I like Charles and Camilla.
I'm not perfect either.

Mollygo Mon 23-Aug-21 10:42:24

A divorce and second marriage is too much baggage. My ex sister-in-law came up against that attitude when she applied for a job over 30 years ago. How many on GNare carrying ‘too much baggage’?

Anniebach Mon 23-Aug-21 10:36:51

Jabbereok so true.

The fact that Charles became heir to the throne when only 4
years old is ignored

He dated Camilla , she married, they remained friends part of a country set, he is godfather to one of her children =
they had an affair through out their first marriages .

Anne dated Andrew Parker Bowles, they remained friends part of a country set, he is godfather to one of her children = !

Jabberwok Mon 23-Aug-21 10:22:54

Annie, for the ordinary people of this country it's no handicap at all, but for poor beleaguered Prince Charles its the work of Satan! People are so hypocritically disaproving, by making all this fuss over Camilla who by all accounts would make an excellent Consort in supporting Charles when he finally becomes king.

Anniebach Mon 23-Aug-21 09:42:10

A divorce and second marriage is too much baggage !

Ladyleftfieldlover Mon 23-Aug-21 07:49:10

Once Charles becomes King - if he manages to outlive his mother - Camilla will be of huge interest. I can see it now. Front page articles in the tabloids on whether she will be Queen Consort, or merely Princess Consort. I am sure she is a very nice woman who has made Charles happy, but there is probably too much baggage. She will not get an easy ride in 5-10 years time.

Anniebach Sun 22-Aug-21 15:54:34

Camilla is of no interest to the press or many of the public, she
is the wicked woman who broke the heart of the sainted Diana,
the woman in grey who Diana spotted as she walked down the aisle of St.Paul’s Cathedral.

AcornFairy Sun 22-Aug-21 15:41:26

JaneJudge

I really enjoyed Camilla on Gardeners world. Nell loved her

So did I JaneJudge. As the wife of the heir to the throne it would be good to hear more about her and the good work she does and less about those other members of the royal family who are currently monopolyising the news.