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“Recollections may vary”. Harry and Meghan (again - I know!)

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MawBe Thu 19-Aug-21 07:36:38

This may be a pot shot too far, now they seem to be including the Queen in their self- righteous whingeing.
(Not that I am biased)
Apparently Duke and Duchess of Sussex believe the Queen failed to take “full ownership” of the race allegations made in their interview with Oprah Winfrey, according to the authors of the unauthorised biography Finding Freedom.
A “friend of the couple” (unnamed, of course) has apparently told Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand that the Queen’s lack of action had prevented the Duke and Duchess from moving on from the claims.
The source also suggested that the Queen’s assertion that “recollections may vary” had not gone down well.
(It did however rank IMHO as one of HM’s all-time greatest bons mots )
The Queen has until now been one of the only senior members of the Royal family to escape the Sussexes’ criticism, but this new epilogue to Finding Freedom, published in People magazine in the US, suggests that the Duke and Duchess feel frustrated that the Duke’s grandmother did not follow through with her promise to address their concerns.
It says: “The Queen’s ‘recollections may vary’ comment ‘did not go unnoticed’ by the couple, who a close source said were ‘not surprised’ that full ownership was not taken
Just one question, if this book is “unauthorised”, does it or does it not reflect their views? Or is it an example of letting somebody else put words in their mouths so that they can deny them afterwards if necessary? All these “unnamed friends,” and “close sources” - aye, right.

eazybee Mon 23-Aug-21 13:50:16

Charles and Camilla could have married in the Church of England as he was a widower and she was married in the Church of Scotland, but they chose not to because of the controversy it would provoke.
As for H&M I have no idea but if she married in the Jewish faith perhaps that would not count. Divorced couples can marry in the CofE in exceptional circumstances but only if the priest agrees.

lemongrove Mon 23-Aug-21 13:51:27

The Duchy sell very nice biscuits, mind you.

Calendargirl Mon 23-Aug-21 14:00:28

I don’t think it was a case of them not being ‘allowed’ to marry in church, I think it was just felt more appropriate that they did it how they did, if that makes sense. Plus several years had elapsed by the time Harry and Meghan married, times change.

Charles has said he will be ‘defender of faiths’ not ‘defender of the faith’ when he becomes King.

As for Camilla being Princess Consort, I read in the Telegraph magazine only this morning in a feature about Camilla, that In 2018, Clarence House removed all references to ‘Princess Consort’ from its website. ‘He will 100 per cent insist on her being Queen’ says a former courtier. ‘The references to Princess Consort infuriated the Prince.’

I think Charles will have the final say on how his wife will be titled, when the time comes.

Calendargirl Mon 23-Aug-21 14:07:24

Camilla and Andrew Parker Bowles were married in the Guards Chapel in London, not Scotland .

Princess Anne’s second marriage took place in Scotland.

Grany Mon 23-Aug-21 14:14:33

Do you think people will have respect for Charles to be 'king' as they had for his mummy?

Lots of countries have republics and are doing very well by the way, there is a better alternative for our country.

Mollygo Mon 23-Aug-21 15:33:58

It’s an unquantifiable question.
Enough ‘people’ will have respect for Charles, though it’s quite likely that those who don’t will be the ones who get their voices heard in the press and on the media. I expect there’ll still be the around the same number of royalists and anti-royalists as there are now, still saying same-old, same-old things. Each group thinking they represent the majority.

Calendargirl Mon 23-Aug-21 16:15:49

Yes Grany plenty of people will have respect for Charles, just as they do for his ‘mummy’.

How are the banners/posters/signs going BTW? Haven’t heard much about them lately.

Alegrias1 Mon 23-Aug-21 16:21:49

Mollygo

It’s an unquantifiable question.
Enough ‘people’ will have respect for Charles, though it’s quite likely that those who don’t will be the ones who get their voices heard in the press and on the media. I expect there’ll still be the around the same number of royalists and anti-royalists as there are now, still saying same-old, same-old things. Each group thinking they represent the majority.

I'm a Republican and am under no illusions that I represent the majority. Most people, I'm sure, still think its a good thing to have an unelected Head of State with unknowable influence on our laws and society.

Alegrias1 Mon 23-Aug-21 16:26:47

Not majority - that'll teach me to pay attention.

...that I represent the minority!!

M0nica Mon 23-Aug-21 16:52:25

Does that mean that you think a political appointee, even if he goes through an election process will not have unknowable influence on our laws and society. How delightfully trusting.

In fact Presidents only mean something if they have political clout, as in US or France. Can anyoone tell me who the President of Germany is, what sort of international presence he has, how much clout he has? How many people in his own country let alone outside, even among his near neighbours know who he is or is she. I haven't got a clue. Whoever the president is they will be political nonenity. The only person who matters in Germany at the moment and for at least a decade is Angela Merkel. How do you fancy a country, where the only persosn who counts and who wields total power is the resident in No 10 Downing Street.

Give me a gool old fashioned monarchy anyday.

Jabberwok Mon 23-Aug-21 17:20:36

Hear, hear, me too.

Alegrias1 Mon 23-Aug-21 17:24:20

In fact Presidents only mean something if they have political clout

No, no, no; that's Presidents who are Heads of Government as well as being Heads of State. I suspect most Germans could name their President, and most of them don't care if you or I can. ?

And the last part, do I want a country where the person who wields total power is in Number 10? Two things about that; the PM is mean to be answerable to Parliament, not to have total power, but Johnson would really like Parliament to disappear in a puff of smoke so he can do as he likes.

And if the Queen does have some influence on what the PM does, that's not what they say about her, is it? She's meant to be politically neutral. Surely she can't be wielding power over the elected Prime Minister? Surely not! shock

Meghan for President of the UK!! Just to see what happens on GN ???

Alegrias1 Mon 23-Aug-21 17:31:48

Oh but actually, now I come to think about it....

I want the person who wields power to be resident in Bute House wink

Mollygo Mon 23-Aug-21 17:39:27

Alegrias1 ??. I thought you were slipping a bit there-forgetting your Scottish roots.

Alegrias1 Mon 23-Aug-21 17:41:16

? Mollygo

Aveline Mon 23-Aug-21 21:24:10

Time the Queen moved into Bute House and evicted that little upstart occasionally resident there!

Alegrias1 Tue 24-Aug-21 08:05:15

Aveline

Time the Queen moved into Bute House and evicted that little upstart occasionally resident there!

That's what we need! The democratically elected leader of a country ousted by a medieval dictatorship who believe they have a divine right to be at the top of the tree.

Why does that sound familiar right now....?

Aveline Tue 24-Aug-21 10:21:25

Because in Scotland we're stuck with a wee besom who thinks she's the Queen!

Alegrias1 Tue 24-Aug-21 10:26:17

A wee besom? That's a good balanced political assessment of a female politician.... hmm

maddyone Tue 24-Aug-21 10:34:14

What’s a wee besom?

Alegrias1 Tue 24-Aug-21 10:37:30

1. obstreperous girl or woman; female upstart (as in “Dinnae pou’ yer brither’s hair, ya wee besom“)
2. woman of low moral standing; a hussy (“Thon yin’s a right mucky besom“).

maddyone Tue 24-Aug-21 10:39:51

Oh okay. Gosh!
Thanks for explanation Alegrias.

lemsip Tue 24-Aug-21 11:06:01

Scottish word of the day: Besom,
Contemporary usage of the term tends to be more lighthearted, and is more synonymous with someone with a bit of attitude, ie. “ya cheeky wee besom.”

Lucca Tue 24-Aug-21 11:13:18

Totally disagree with Aveline’s assessment of Scotland’s first minister. “Thinks she’s Queen “ ? What nonsense

Aveline Tue 24-Aug-21 11:16:16

The self important way she carries on is extremely illustrative of how she sees herself. I've met her.