Fingers crossed for Pen Farthing and Nowzad

tickingbird

Yes i’ve just looked into this and realise it’s not likely to be factual. I don’t know about James Woods as not on twitter; isn’t he an actor?

He is an actor and usually a good one. He is also a Republican and a great fan of Trump who tweets lots of silly things, such as Trump to get a Nobel peace prize.

PippaZ

I think you may have been on the end of a message to a few LondonMzFitz. I apologise if you got an undeservedly full blast

Didn't lose sleep over it ....

Yes i’ve just looked into this and realise it’s not likely to be factual. I don’t know about James Woods as not on twitter; isn’t he an actor?

Thanks for the link about the dogs Alegrias.

Well he also shared the disinformation about the military dogs being left behind, so my vote is with "untrue". Also, its James Woods. Well known Trump advocate and right winger who thinks the US is a victim of mass illegal invasions.

I don’t know the validity of this but, if true, some very serious questions need to be asked.

twitter.com/realjameswoods/status/1432854424959938564?s=21

What are you "blaming" the Taliban for Jabberwok, other than the obvious? They believe this is their country. They also have a very different culture where animals are concerned. Do you mean we should be telling them they should change that culture?

Haven't we just tried that and failed?

You're welcome Dustyhen2010

Alegrias1

www.defenseone.com/threats/2021/08/no-us-military-dogs-were-left-behind-afghanistan-dod-says/184984/

Thank you for showing this link. I would have been surprised if any of these highly trained and extremely useful dogs would have been left behind.

www.defenseone.com/threats/2021/08/no-us-military-dogs-were-left-behind-afghanistan-dod-says/184984/

If they couldn't bring the dogs out they should have had the balls to put them down humanely before they left. I agree Janejudge "tossers*

Surely the people we should be blaming here are the Taliban? If they hadn't got such a murderous cruel attitude to people and animals then both could have been left behind without a worry. As it is they are both cruel and murderous which makes life hell on earth for both. I agree about the Americans leaving their dogs behind to certain death probably by torture. How could they? They get more vile everyday.

Blaming one bloke is a nonsense

No-one is saying that it is his fault so many people didnt get out, Some are pointing out that:

*Soldiers (whether British or American, doesn't matter!) WERE pulled away from processing/working with people to deal with animals. If the animals had been left that would not have happened. They should not have been a priority for the soldiers precious time
*Animals were evacuated whilst so many people were not which is a serious mistake on any level, least of all from a Muslim country...from a humane angle, a PR angle or any other angle!

I think you may have been on the end of a message to a few LondonMzFitz. I apologise if you got an undeservedly full blast

So by a certain poster’s reasoning it’s irrelevant whether anymore Afghans could get on the charter plane or not? The fact that they are animals means they should suffer pain, starvation and death.

As for it affecting these people more because they’re Muslims? The people driving this mad situation are Muslims; it’s their fellow Muslims they’re fleeing from.

As someone else pointed out the US have abandoned all the military dogs. What a despicable lot they are. Absolutely shameful.

Blondiescot

And now the US has abandoned its own military dogs out there. They should hang their heads in shame. These dogs play such a valuable role in military life and should be treated like any other members of the US forces. It is absolutely unforgivable that they should be left like this.

tossers

PippaZ

LondonMzFitz

PippaZ, personally I don't mind if you don't or can't see the arguments put here, I think the facts of the case for both sides have been presented and debated. But will you allow that it's never been a case of animals before people?

I don't know how many times I haveto say I have read and understood your arguments. However, I disagree with the premise you are trying to force on others. I do not think we should have even attempted to bring out these animals while people were unable to leave. What greater insult you can make to a Muslim than suggest an animal is of more importance than they are? Whether or not that is the case, that is how it will appear.

I appreciate that you cannot or will not see that I don't look at this the way you do. You seem to be entirely ignorant of other people's views on this - unless they are political. Therefore you insist on politicising my views. But they are nothing to do with politics. The animals, as far as I am concerned, should have been left where they were.

Gosh, I certainly didn't mean to come across as you seem to be suggesting. I've got my cool and collected head on today (ranty head was firmly fixed until Pen got out of Afghanistan) when it was taken off (Worzel Gummidge style) and tucked away until next needed. Honestly and without sarcasm, I'm disappointed you seem to feel you are being needled by my comments.

I don't believe I'm being ignorant of other people's views; I will admit to being hugely irritated by the poster that only partly read an article, then misquoted it, and said she despised Pen. And those who have come on to parrot the nameless (gutless) government sources from the last week in what I firmly believe to be a concerted attack from one particular demographic (dipping toe in politics) against Pen.

But I'm happy to disagree (and again no sarcasm from me), The animals, as far as I am concerned, should have been left where they were unless they could have been taken to the UK where they can be rehomed.

LondonMzFitz

PippaZ, personally I don't mind if you don't or can't see the arguments put here, I think the facts of the case for both sides have been presented and debated. But will you allow that it's never been a case of animals before people?

I don't know how many times I haveto say I have read and understood your arguments. However, I disagree with the premise you are trying to force on others. I do not think we should have even attempted to bring out these animals while people were unable to leave. What greater insult you can make to a Muslim than suggest an animal is of more importance than they are? Whether or not that is the case, that is how it will appear.

I appreciate that you cannot or will not see that I don't look at this the way you do. You seem to be entirely ignorant of other people's views on this - unless they are political. Therefore you insist on politicising my views. But they are nothing to do with politics. The animals, as far as I am concerned, should have been left where they were.

And now the US has abandoned its own military dogs out there. They should hang their heads in shame. These dogs play such a valuable role in military life and should be treated like any other members of the US forces. It is absolutely unforgivable that they should be left like this.

Wonder if it had a jacuzzi on board? Or an on-board masseuse? That's what private jets are like, isn't it? Wouldn't put it past him

Only for the animals.

Wonder if it had a jacuzzi on board? Or an on-board masseuse? That's what private jets are like, isn't it? Wouldn't put it past him.

Let us not forget ALL the other countries involved in this
www.gulf-times.com/story/699243/Nato-countries-have-a-duty-to-take-in-Afghans-says
America called the shots, and not all Afghans were eligible to come to the UK. Saying that, allowing this private jet to take a slot which could have been used to fly out Afghans, despicable.

A privately chartered plane managed to leave Kabul with around 200 animals. There was space for a few hundred humans but for whatever reason they couldn't get on the plane.

Uproar - animals prioritised over humans.

Fact - thousands of people, most with valid paperwork were left behind. Would there not have been prioritising going on if the UK and US forces had stayed just that little bit longer? Whole families were trying to leave. Would the elderly and/or infirm have been left behind? Apparently Whitehall estimates that 9000 people eligible for resettlement in the UK were left behind.

It really is about time the arguments for and against the animals ceased and whether Pen Farthing was likeable or not.

It is however, about time more time was given to thinking how badly this govt and the US have behaved and about the blame game that ministers and there staff are playing.

PippaZ, personally I don't mind if you don't or can't see the arguments put here, I think the facts of the case for both sides have been presented and debated. But will you allow that it's never been a case of animals before people?

Whitewavemark2

It has been suggested that Johnson’s wife intervened to get the animals to the U.K.

None of the staff working with Farthing were allowed to come to the U.K.

I am quietly hoping here that one of the rescue cats or dogs gets a home at No 10.