Paying for Social Care

yaiyai

Caleb. Rich people generally support themselves eg private healthcare and education. Also, regardless of how much or little tax they pay from their earnings (thinking celebs), it is the rich people supporting the rest of us. Do the maths. The average working person does not contribute as much as it costs to educate their children and healthcare etc. Look at figures quoted for a hospital birth alone then there is the rest.

Oh please not this old chestnut.

The wealthy DO NOT SUPPORT THEMSELVES - they rely on private healthcare using NHS resources, and low paid staff to achieve the goal of ensuring that the poorer members of society support the wealthier elements. Not all wealth is secured by lottery wins, or inherited wealth and is accrued by the wealthy by employing the poor with as little payment as they can get away with.

If private education is anything to go by - this Government's use of private education shows how poorly schooled they are - unless that's just individual arrogance by the Johnson Gang.

Well it looks like we've all fallen for the old Tory 'Money Trick' (see "Ragged Trousered Philanthropist") and decided that bee need to talk ONLY about money.

If Johnson has a plan - where is the policy that states this is WHAT we will do and HOW we will do it by WHEN?

Can I recommend the Priestley play "An Inspector Calls" for anyone missing the link between the deserving and undeserving poor. In 2021 we seem to be living in a society that aspires to Edwardian values from 1912.

Fascinating.

I think it would be good to have a voluntary arrangement to pay for hospital food. That way, many of us would make a generous contribution. I've never felt comfortable about accepting free food.

I wouldn't approve of means testing though - and all the work/costs associated with it.

When self-funders become entitled to a LA assessment, surely there will be a huge crisis in LA understaffing?

One thing I can say about our government is that they are consistent - in some things. I always think it's too little, too late - and nobody's really thought it through!

Theoddbird

I think people should be charged for food they have in hospital. They have to pay for it at home don't they. Think of the money that would save the NHS. I would be more than happy to pay for my food.

God, but that's petty and cruel. So who, if they can't pay because of the bills still to be paid at home and the cost of food for their partner, etc., will be to blame if that person starves themself to death?

My father died at 86. Before that he was terrified that if he had to go into a home my mother would be homeless and without enough to live on. She wouldn't have been but the one time he had to go in for two weeks respite so my mother could have an operation, he was inconsolable.

There are people who are completely ignorant of other people circumstances and anxieties - they usually vote Conservative!

Not sure about paying for hospital food.

Nutrition is part of health care surely?

Of course, it is GrannyGravy.

I go back, yet again, to Florence Nightingale. Cleanliness and good food are the basis of repairing and maintaining the best health we can.

So why, oh why, are so many people who should be part of a National Health and Care system denied these basics?

PippaZ

GrannyGravy13

Every time you pay cash to a window cleaner, builder, cleaner, gardener or similar you have no idea if that sum will be declared.

If posters think only the rich buck the system sorry to say they are either turning a blind eye or woefully deluded.

I don't pay cash to anyone in that way GrannyGravy and no one has asked for years that I do so. Actually, that's not true, my hairdresser doesn't take cards but the money goes through her till and I don't see why everyone who "doesn't take cards" should be seen as a criminal. I don't see her as that and nor do I see it as my job to go round assuming everyone but me will break the law.

What we are discussing is not law-breaking - that should be treated as any crime would be. It is about a system that favours anyone who can gather assets.

Exactly!

Incidentally, I haven't used cash for anything for years, apart from parking metres and the local ones all accept cards now.

We do indeed have a system which rewards people with assets rather than earned income.

PS. I remember that guy on QT - he just wouldn't have it that he was in the top 10% of earners.

PippaZ

Of course, it is GrannyGravy.

I go back, yet again, to Florence Nightingale. Cleanliness and good food are the basis of repairing and maintaining the best health we can.

So why, oh why, are so many people who should be part of a National Health and Care system denied these basics?

I am not disagreeing with you.

The NHS, including the care sector today is unrecognisable to what it was at its inception.

I am against privatisation, but it is in desperate need of an overhaul.

Unfortunately in my opinion there is not a political party with the backbone to carry it out.

I should have put a smile after the "GrannyGravy". I didn't think you were. Sorry.

Growstuff-I'm surrounded by them. I do wonder where many of grandnetters live in this country.

GrannyGravy13

Not sure about paying for hospital food.

Nutrition is part of health care surely?

Blimey! What did I say on the previous page?

So at the moment the children’s future inheritance goes on social care. With extra n.I fir our children they will have less to live on but we will keep what will be their inheritance….. maybe. So I’m betting I will be gifting them money to cope over the next months and years as the tax burden and n.I. Burden goes up.

yaiyai

Growstuff-I'm surrounded by them. I do wonder where many of grandnetters live in this country.

What would you like to happen to them, then, yaiyai?

Shall we just let them moulder in their homes, and throw them out on the street if they can't afford to keep their homes any longer?

Or turn them out to beg on the streets?

I've always said that the last year before leaving school, the curriculum should include Life Lessons on mortgages, investing, saving, paying for care, etc. Everyone should be able to do basic accounting. The first few years of starting mainstream school should include nutrition. Boring, I know but I'm sure that would make people grow up happier and healthier rather than expecting a six-monthly medical procedure to, hopefully, prevent a lot of illnesses. As for social care. It's almost like Dementia/Alzheimers is a new illness. We should all be experts in the dementias by now.

I am agreeing with you MaizieD apologies if that was not clear .

effalump

I've always said that the last year before leaving school, the curriculum should include Life Lessons on mortgages, investing, saving, paying for care, etc. Everyone should be able to do basic accounting. The first few years of starting mainstream school should include nutrition. Boring, I know but I'm sure that would make people grow up happier and healthier rather than expecting a six-monthly medical procedure to, hopefully, prevent a lot of illnesses. As for social care. It's almost like Dementia/Alzheimers is a new illness. We should all be experts in the dementias by now.

Your comment is insulting to the many who manage amazingly well on very little. Sometimes they manage well and then face a "life event". Sometimes it is impossible to earn enough to live on, find a home and care for their families. Many will be knocked back by Covid and what the government didn't do to help. The idea that you are better at basic accounting than they are is ... well I don't know what to call it - arrogance, ignorance, snobbery or what?

What is this "six-monthly medical procedure"?

Do you care for people with all degrees and types of dementia? Are you really blaming them for their illness?

I do hope I have misunderstood but I somehow doubt I have.

effalump

I've always said that the last year before leaving school, the curriculum should include Life Lessons on mortgages, investing, saving, paying for care, etc. Everyone should be able to do basic accounting. The first few years of starting mainstream school should include nutrition. Boring, I know but I'm sure that would make people grow up happier and healthier rather than expecting a six-monthly medical procedure to, hopefully, prevent a lot of illnesses. As for social care. It's almost like Dementia/Alzheimers is a new illness. We should all be experts in the dementias by now.

I'm certainly glad that I didn't waste my time at school learning this stuff. Instead, I learnt real academic subjects, had my mind opened and was able to earn decent money to support myself. I didn't even do home economics/cooking/nutrition at school. I was taught how to read and was able to understand a cookery book - it's not difficult. Basic accounting isn't difficult either, although making a very small amount of money stretch to buy essentials is challenging. Maybe people should be taught how to earn more money, rather than being patronised.

Ps. Why should I be an expert in dementias? I actually respect people who do know about dementia.

yaiyai

Growstuff-I'm surrounded by them. I do wonder where many of grandnetters live in this country.

Have you ever thought of moving? It sounds grim.

I don't understand about the six-monthly procedure, or the need to be an expert in Dementia either. How odd.

If I had to pay for hospital food I would opt for self catering.

M0nica

If I had to pay for hospital food I would opt for self catering.

That made me laugh, I was an inpatient nine years ago (severe asthma).

I lost 7lb in 5 days, wouldn’t recommend it for a diet, but the food offerings were dire…

M0nica

If I had to pay for hospital food I would opt for self catering.

Hospitals are certainly a lot cleaner now since Covid arrived on the scene.

Posted too soon!

What patients need is good, nutritious food, not the transported, reheated rubbish presented to patients in some hospitals.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.