Is Starmer finally getting his team together to fight back?

MaizieD

^representing very little of what labour is about in the modern world ^

It would be interesting to know what you think that 'Labour is about in the modern world', Gabrielle56. You sound as though you think that Corbyn's mild Socialism is full blown Communism. But, confusingly, you sound a bit 'up the workers' too..

BTW you are badly misjudging growstuff

Well Said

Galaxy

Yes the North loved him so much the seat I live in - 50 years held by labour - turned conservative in 2019, so no that's not the true picture.

Do you imagine a reamainer like Starmer would have done better?

Anniebach

I assume Corbyn’s tremendous welcome up north was not during a lockdown

Of course not.

Lockdown hasn't exactly given Starmer much opportunity to come north, either. But hasn't he been travelling around over this summer?

Personally I can't fathom the Corbyn hate or the Starmer hate. I don't think either are as black as painted by various factions.

Anniebach

I assume Corbyn’s tremendous welcome up north was not during a lockdown

Abbie Starmer has been the leader of the LP throughout lockdown. He hasn't been seen anywhere very much, so I understand if you didn't realise.

trisher

Galaxy

Yes the North loved him so much the seat I live in - 50 years held by labour - turned conservative in 2019, so no that's not the true picture.

Do you imagine a reamainer like Starmer would have done better?

As it is well known that more Labour voters voted remain than voted leave I really don't see that that is relevant. There were an awful lot of remain voters totally hacked off by Corbyn...

Well the previous holder was a strong remainer who is still very popular within the community so perhaps it's not as simplistic as Brexit up here.

I think it is rather sad that Boris Johnson has lost approval ratings because he is giving money to the NHS, not because of his lies or his incompetence.

MaizieD

trisher

Galaxy

Yes the North loved him so much the seat I live in - 50 years held by labour - turned conservative in 2019, so no that's not the true picture.

Do you imagine a reamainer like Starmer would have done better?

As it is well known that more Labour voters voted remain than voted leave I really don't see that that is relevant. There were an awful lot of remain voters totally hacked off by Corbyn...

MaizieD Every Northern constituency that turned Blue in 2019 had a majority vote for leave. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_wall_(British_politics)

Indeed but it's much more complex than Brexit, there were fundamental reasons why those constituencies voted leave in the first place, those issues weren't addressed by labour for years. To badly quote Alan Johnson 'the working class has never behaved in the way you wanted them to'.

That is so true galaxy!

trisher

MaizieD

trisher

Galaxy

Yes the North loved him so much the seat I live in - 50 years held by labour - turned conservative in 2019, so no that's not the true picture.

Do you imagine a reamainer like Starmer would have done better?

As it is well known that more Labour voters voted remain than voted leave I really don't see that that is relevant. There were an awful lot of remain voters totally hacked off by Corbyn...

MaizieD Every Northern constituency that turned Blue in 2019 had a majority vote for leave. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_wall_(British_politics)

But they didn't vote for Socialist Leaver Corbyn, did they? So what was going on?

Galaxy

Indeed but it's much more complex than Brexit, there were fundamental reasons why those constituencies voted leave in the first place, those issues weren't addressed by labour for years. To badly quote Alan Johnson 'the working class has never behaved in the way you wanted them to'.

So they voted brexit and Conservative as a protest. Really clever that .

MaizieD

trisher

MaizieD

trisher

Galaxy

Yes the North loved him so much the seat I live in - 50 years held by labour - turned conservative in 2019, so no that's not the true picture.

Do you imagine a reamainer like Starmer would have done better?

As it is well known that more Labour voters voted remain than voted leave I really don't see that that is relevant. There were an awful lot of remain voters totally hacked off by Corbyn...

MaizieD Every Northern constituency that turned Blue in 2019 had a majority vote for leave. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_wall_(British_politics)

But they didn't vote for Socialist Leaver Corbyn, did they? So what was going on?

Stitch up by the establishment

MayBee70

Galaxy

Indeed but it's much more complex than Brexit, there were fundamental reasons why those constituencies voted leave in the first place, those issues weren't addressed by labour for years. To badly quote Alan Johnson 'the working class has never behaved in the way you wanted them to'.

So they voted brexit and Conservative as a protest. Really clever that .

No, it wasn’t a protest, they voted that way because either they had voted to leave the EU and wanted it to be implemented as soon as possible, or they had been traditional Labour voters up to then, but saw Corbyn and McDonnell as a pair of old marxists who didn’t represent them and their aspirations. Possibly both reasons at the same time. It may be the case that they still don’t see the LP under Keir Starmer as representing them either, however we have left the EU and there isn’t an extreme left winger at the helm of Labour, and given that the Conservatives have been in power for so very long, it would be surprising if they won again at the next GE.
Starmer can afford to ‘keep his powder dry’ for quite a while yet.

Galaxy

Yes the North loved him so much the seat I live in - 50 years held by labour - turned conservative in 2019, so no that's not the true picture.

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I think only his devotees loved him, voters ( as opposed to the membership) not so much.

MaizieD

Anniebach

I assume Corbyn’s tremendous welcome up north was not during a lockdown

Of course not.

Lockdown hasn't exactly given Starmer much opportunity to come north, either. But hasn't he been travelling around over this summer?

Personally I can't fathom the Corbyn hate or the Starmer hate. I don't think either are as black as painted by various factions.

I can't either Maizie. All the infighting can do is lose Labour another election.

Probably people calling them stupid was part of that vote maybee.

Galaxy

Indeed but it's much more complex than Brexit, there were fundamental reasons why those constituencies voted leave in the first place, those issues weren't addressed by labour for years. To badly quote Alan Johnson 'the working class has never behaved in the way you wanted them to'.

there were fundamental reasons why those constituencies voted leave in the first place, those issues weren't addressed by labour for years.

I don't know what proportion 11 years are of your life, but it really is quite a long period during which the Labour Party haven't been in power. What do you think they would have been able to do in that time?

If they carry on the infighting they will probably be out in the cold for another 11 years. Meanwhile, we will have a chance to find out that none of us is wealthy enough to benefit from a Tory government.

I dont entirely blame labour for it all Pippa! I am a labour voter and member, but Brexit didnt just happen, it was a long process, years in which the remainers on both sides failed to demonstrate the benefits of immigration etc (mainly because they didnt realise they needed to defend it) it's important to acknowledge that Labour didnt 'speak' to many of their traditional voters.

Ilovecheese

I think it is rather sad that Boris Johnson has lost approval ratings because he is giving money to the NHS, not because of his lies or his incompetence.

It's not that he's giving money to the NHS it's the people that it's being taken from.

Starmer Spotting. ? Video
m.facebook.com/hashtag/justsaying

Dinahmo

Ilovecheese

I think it is rather sad that Boris Johnson has lost approval ratings because he is giving money to the NHS, not because of his lies or his incompetence.

It's not that he's giving money to the NHS it's the people that it's being taken from.

He's not giving money to the NHS anyway. The frontline NHS has been starved of funding for years. Too much money has been siphoned off for reorganisations, which have benefited private providers, who have made a profit.

Gabrielle56

growstuff

By the way, what objection do you have to any politician saying that his/her government won't let people linger on benefits? I don't think many people believe that people should be able to opt out of work and receive state funding for doing nothing.

Do you really cling to that old load of junk?! The teeniest of percentage of folks on benefits actually "choose'" to live in abject poverty , don't be so naive, you sound like some upperclass twit jealous that you have to get up every day when someone else actually gets help to survive when they CANNOT get a decent job that pays enough to actually live on! You can tell you've never had to fight for anything, really fight?! Being on benefits is a soul destroying misery, existence not life, no present,no future, no hope. Im suprised more don't contemplate suicide. I suppose youreoneof those who think that only earners in excess of £40k/annum should be allowed to breed too? Get with the program

What on earth are you on about?

You really don't have a clue about me and my circumstances.

If you really knew much about the genuinely poor, you'd know that they despise shirkers and cheats as much as anybody else and want a government to be tough on them.

PS. I've never been called an upper class twit before!

Some brain wobbling is in order.

growstuff

PS. I've never been called an upper class twit before!

Some brain wobbling is in order.

Have you only just seen that, growstuff?

G56 has never been back to justify it...