A winter of very expensive heating and little food?

Alegrias1

*GG13*, I am merely posting my point of view/observation that someone who is apparently not having any trouble sourcing their groceries, might just have a wee bit of empathy with those who are.

You are of course entitled to post what you like. But I seriously can't see what the point was of telling us you got figs and mangos when there are people who are having trouble finding milk. So if someone points out your insensitivity, I'm afraid that counts as discussion.

There is undoubtedly a discussion to be had about whether some regions are suffering more than others. But repeatedly telling us how your local shops are bursting with all kinds of products is just a little bit inconsiderate, don't you think?

Actually I think it leads to a discussion as to why some supermarkets manage their stock levels better than others. I am genuinely interested in logistics/availability as I compare it to any situations arising in our Company.

If /when I find empty shelves I will post that information. It helps GN members have an idea of the situation around the U.K.

Telling another poster that their posts/opinions are irrelevant is not helping the debate.

GrannyGravy13

growstuff that’s why I posted my findings, we are in the same County but with different levels of stock in one shop.

Is it different shopping patterns, logistic problems or are shoppers reacting to the news bulletins?

I haven't a clue. My Tesco online order actually comes from a superstore in Hertfordshire. We might be in the same county, but about 50 miles apart. I doubt if we're in the same supply chain.

Re surplus milk being thrown away by the farmers.

There is a picture of a heron fishing in a river near Newcastle and the river is white!?

I very much hope that it isn’t milk as it is one of the worst pollutants and most poisonous.

God almighty what is happening to this country!

Photo.

There may well be shortages of certain food items in some stores in some areas but that is absolutely not the same as saying that people will go hungry.

There may not be quite the huge choice we have become accustomed to, but of course there will be food available.

I drove to Sainsbury’s ( Surrey) this morning and it was fine.
Yes there were possibly a couple of shelves which weren’t quite as full as normal, but otherwise the store was well stocked.

Anyway as we have all learned by now, certain posters will always choose to dwell on the ridiculous assertion that thousands of people will starve over the coming months, due to empty shops.

The rest of us of course know that’s nonsense.

DH just came back from the Co-op. He was unable to get the little pink iced buns I like, but he did find mini Danish Pastries.

Does anyone have any comments on what this means for the food supply chain in our area and how the logistics industry is handling it?

I remember this report produced by the government. Amazing how accurate it is.

Maybe somebody could check next time they go into Tesco if there's any own brand washing up liquid and pouches of Felix fish in jelly.

Alegrias1

DH just came back from the Co-op. He was unable to get the little pink iced buns I like, but he did find mini Danish Pastries.

Does anyone have any comments on what this means for the food supply chain in our area and how the logistics industry is handling it?

Hmmm ... maybe the buyer has refined tastes.

Our biggest shortage locally at the moment is bags of ice, perhaps freezer space has been prioritised for other consumables.

Actually JenniferEccles it's not fine. There are some people on a very limited budget, who can't afford more expensive alternatives and some with dietary needs, who can't easily make substitutions either.

As I do nearly all my grocery shopping online, I have a "favourites" list. I've been clicking on it three times a month for the last couple of years and rarely had any unobtainable items. The price has been stable too.

Now I find that some prices have shot up, so I've had to make decisions about what to exclude because I can't afford to pay more than I do. I've also had to change my eating plans when items are not available.

growstuff

Maybe somebody could check next time they go into Tesco if there's any own brand washing up liquid and pouches of Felix fish in jelly.

Both available on my Tesco on line haven’t been in store for ages
The cat food is available on Amazon if that helps

rosie1959

growstuff

Maybe somebody could check next time they go into Tesco if there's any own brand washing up liquid and pouches of Felix fish in jelly.

Both available on my Tesco on line haven’t been in store for ages
The cat food is available on Amazon if that helps

I've just checked on Amazon. The one my cats would normally eat (Felix As Good as It Looks Senior Fish Selection in Jelly) is £20.44 for 24 pouches (2 boxes). It used to be £3.99 a box in Tesco (two for £7). The Amazon price is extortionate!

No! It's not available on Amazon.

Sorry growstuff multi tasking whilst looking after granddaughter and Tesco shopping list Saw Felix fish selection 40 pouches for 10.99 on Amazon
No idea of the cost of catfood

WhiteWave I really hope that’s a trick of the light.
I am so utterly ashamed and disgusted with this horrendous state of affairs.
No hyperbole, I could weep

It was posted by Monbiot, so I suspect it is genuine.

rosie1959

Sorry growstuff multi tasking whilst looking after granddaughter and Tesco shopping list Saw Felix fish selection 40 pouches for 10.99 on Amazon
No idea of the cost of catfood

No problem, but I've been looking for weeks.

WWM2 I don't recall seeing that document but it accurately portrays the present situation imo.

I do remember hearing a man who was in charge of haulage for one of the supermarkets at least a year before Brexit. He said that by the winter the UK would have run out of most home grown veg and that most of the fresh fruit and veg that was consumed was imported during the winter. It that's the case then it will be very difficult for those who are the most in need.

The lack of CO2 will probably affect the charities for the homeless who obtain food close to the sell by date. If there is a shortage of such fresh food then there won't be any left on the shelves for those charities.

Another thought - if there are price increases or shortages of dried or tinned goods there could be a reduction in people donating goods to the food banks.

The poorest people will be losing out yet again.

Whitewavemark2

I’ve just been to M&S. Chicken shelves almost empty. Shelves with pork emptying. Other ready meals shelves empty.
Staff pulling stuff to the front f other shelves to make them look full.

People seem to be buying toilet rolls again??.

Yes, it’s panic buying mode for some.

dinahmo the only things that have not yet come to fruition are the first two. NI because of the agreement Johnson and frost dreamed up, and as yet no disorder, which may never happen, as I think the U.K. population is more apathetic than many believe.

growstuff

Actually JenniferEccles it's not fine. There are some people on a very limited budget, who can't afford more expensive alternatives and some with dietary needs, who can't easily make substitutions either.

As I do nearly all my grocery shopping online, I have a "favourites" list. I've been clicking on it three times a month for the last couple of years and rarely had any unobtainable items. The price has been stable too.

Now I find that some prices have shot up, so I've had to make decisions about what to exclude because I can't afford to pay more than I do. I've also had to change my eating plans when items are not available.

It’s called cutting your coat according to your cloth.
Your cat will have to eat whatever it’s given...

The CO2 problem will be sorted out very soon, all the doom laden posts will then hopefully cease on that matter.

Of course it's not fine and I have been making a real effort recently to understand the situation of those who have to live on a tight budget or who have dietary needs. As a high end consumer, I would be more than happy to accept lesser alternatives on my list or actually consider whether I even need the luxury items at all. It might surprise me to see what I can go without. What more can be expected of me?
When you sarcastically suggest that GG13 calls up the little turquoise Fortnum and Mason van to deliver to her you are just showing that nothing some people do is acceptable to you. It smacks of being bitter.
Oh and by the way, Fortnum & Mason use electrical vehicles which eliminate CO2 emissions from the exhaust.

Your cat will have to eat whatever it’s given...

Just like the poor.

Really growstuff, just stop complaining. You're teaching your cat bad ways. Order him something from Fortnum and Mason.