Uncouth Angela Rayner doing Labour no favours

eazybee

'She certainly summed up Johnson.'

In your opinion, Pippa Z.

In mine too.

'She certainly summed up Johnson.'

In your opinion, Pippa Z.

Dinahmo

She was at a post watershed LP reception for goodness sake, not making a speech at the actual conference when she used that "dreaded" word.

Exactly Dinahmo. I'm sure we have all heard much worse, much less appropriately used.

For me this silly haranguing of a women for a simple, accurate statement needs to stop. So I will not add to this post any more.

Casdon

Why would we expect anybody to behave in that way though PippaZ? I dislike invective from any politicians, male or female - maybe that’s why I like Starmer and Drakeford. It’s nothing to do with their maleness, but is to do with their ideology, considered approach and commitment.

There are people who have called AR out who have never, ever said that what has come out of Johnson's mouth is far, far worse and has been actually damaging. What damage - other than perhaps to herself, did Angela Rayner do?

Scum: One, such as a person or an element of society, that is regarded as despicable or worthless.

You may no like the word - but she certainly summed up Johnson.

She was at a post watershed LP reception for goodness sake, not making a speech at the actual conference when she used that "dreaded" word.

Why would we expect anybody to behave in that way though PippaZ? I dislike invective from any politicians, male or female - maybe that’s why I like Starmer and Drakeford. It’s nothing to do with their maleness, but is to do with their ideology, considered approach and commitment.

Red herrings abound.

But ah, he is a man; he is a so that's what we should expect when he opens his mouth isn't it.

Casdon

It’s offensive to imply that because people don’t agree with your exact political stance they are ‘Pearl clutchers’ and not real Labour voters in some way. I take exception to that. We are clearly destined to disagree on this issue though PippaZ. I think voters will remember what Angela Rayner said, and she will forever be labelled as not up to being on the international stage. That’s not gossip, it’s a reflection of her behaving unprofessionally - she dug her own hole. It’s a shame as she is very able, but it’s on record now and will constantly be thrown back at her face.

I think we are. We are not Victorian maiden aunts and I imagine have all heard much worse. Watching her today, after the speech, I was impressed.

Johnson, in the Foreign Office, has made lives much worse than they needed to be. I don't think she is a scintilla the liability verbally, that he is. But ah, he is a man; he is a so that's what we should expect isn't it, smiling sweetly while he is a homophobic, racist, misogynistic upperclass hooray. So that's alright then.

Callistemon

She still has fabulous hair

(Just saying)

I agree. And those eyes! She’s quite stunning really.

Her words will cloud her image with future voters and at the end of the day that’s the only currency that matters. Mind you, compared to most she’s already on mega-money in the Opposition - so maybe she’s actually not that ‘bovvered’.

Some are out to bring her down.

No, but perhaps they would like to think she can up her game and realise that this may well put off would-be Labour voters.

Passion is one thing but she seems to lack common sense about how to win voters over which is essential.

It’s offensive to imply that because people don’t agree with your exact political stance they are ‘Pearl clutchers’ and not real Labour voters in some way. I take exception to that. We are clearly destined to disagree on this issue though PippaZ. I think voters will remember what Angela Rayner said, and she will forever be labelled as not up to being on the international stage. That’s not gossip, it’s a reflection of her behaving unprofessionally - she dug her own hole. It’s a shame as she is very able, but it’s on record now and will constantly be thrown back at her face.

Maybe people at conference being adults makes it a bit different to school?

Yes, we are talking about supposed grown-ups here and what is more, professional people in the public eye.

Such playground language is off-putting and not the best way to win the majority over to her views.

It may appeal to a minority but that won't win an election.

What is the general discussion about online, in the media?
Not the essence of what she said but the words she used.

Kali2

I totally agree with what she said- but not the words she used. She is in a powerful rôle, and she must have known that such words not acceptable, especially in an official speech and not a private conversation that was inadvertently picked up.

As teachers, we know that this would not be acceptable in the classroom, so why would it be acceptable at Conference with press present.

As said, I admire her and totally agree with her- but honestly she should have known better, and apologised in such a way that she meant it, but accepted the word used was inappropriate- she would have gained a lot of respect for doing that.

Maybe people at conference being adults makes it a bit different to school?

Funny the outrage about "the language of the gutter" (considering the bad language I hear in local shops/streets/buses her's seems fairly mild to be honest) but the actual gutter behaviour of others seems to be glossed over. In fact I think alot of the outrage is because people don't want certain politicians behaviour to be called out.

Even my Mother wasn't bovvered.

She still has fabulous hair

(Just saying)

They may or may not. I may or may not vote Labour. It seems all that pearl-clutching attributed to liberal thinkers was going on across the voting population. What Angela Raynor said will not influence me in any way. I doubt it will influence voters when the time comes.

But then I hate nasty destructive gossip and that is how I see this attack on a woman, noticeably, saying what she feels in a fringe meeting. Some are out to bring her down. This will be a nine-day wonder that will be brought up, from time to time, by those not intending to vote Labour whatever they say or do.

I suggest those that do mind keep saying it on this thread because many others will just not be interested in someone telling the truth as she sees it in a way (clutch those pearls girlies) they would not.

Labour voters may not all find the language of the gutter appealing.

#Drakefordvoter

I don’t understand what you mean either PippaZ. I’m a long term Labour supporter, why wouldn’t the deputy leader of the party want to appeal to me? I certainly don’t want the conference to fall flat, or indeed descend into in-fighting. What will happen behaviour like this continues is that there will be a mass loss of moderate party members, we are not in the 1970s.

PippaZ

I don't think you were the audience she was aiming at. The one she was seemed very satisfied. Except, of course, those who are trying to make the conference fall flat. That wouldn't be you, of course, would it?

Except, of course, those who are trying to make the conference fall flat. That wouldn't be you, of course, would it?

Are you addressing me, PippaZ?
It is not clear.
No, not me, an erstwhile occasional Labour voter ? and disillusioned Lib Dem voter.

If she is addressing a very limited range of voters then Labour will have an uphill struggle winning voters over and ever becoming a Government, won't they?

It's not language I grew up with but I totally understood her and believe she was factually correct.

I don't think you were the audience she was aiming at. The one she was seemed very satisfied. Except, of course, those who are trying to make the conference fall flat. That wouldn't be you, of course, would it?

I agree with Casdon and *lemongrove (but do I have to wear high heels? ??

When someone resorts to language like that they risk losing their audience and consequently their argument.