Uncouth Angela Rayner doing Labour no favours

Actually, I loathe Tony Blair because of his EU fanaticism and constitutional vandalism, but one thing he did do in 1994-7 is turn the party into a tightly disciplined highly electable winning machine. He realised the British public don’t do socialism per se, and that the previous 15 years of Labour trying to persuade them to become socialist had failed, so instead of expecting them to come to the party, he took the party to them.

That’s what this Labour Party need to do, but they won’t, because they hate Britain and it’s people, for rejecting its wokery and its beloved EU.

Rayner’s rant shows that the Labour Party only wants to appeal to its more extreme elements (Momentum) and is not interested in learning from its latest electoral defeat - that it needs to attract much wider public support if it is to get back to power.

some plain speaking for a change

that use of language is something I expect to see when I'm watching 'My nightmare Neighbour Next Door' on channel5

How refreshing to hear a politician saying exactly what they think. I don’t care what thei voice sounds like or what accent they have.

It’s a good thing to have some plain speaking for a change. I wish more of our politicians would have the guts to speak up.

I’d rather have this than the mealy mouthed words of J R Mogg or the blusterings of Boris any day!

eazybee

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Jane Judge, I am sorry but I do not properly understand your post.
If this is what happened to you during covid then I am truly sorry, but feel it is not appropriate to discuss it in connection with Angela Rayner.

Fair enough but I'm sure you can understand the depth of feeling.

Please explain how you think they aren't some of those things

Homophobic - Nadine Dorries does not agree with gay marriage and believes all her constituency feel the same - culture post

Racist - BJ says Muslim women in niqab are like letterboxes

Misogynistic - most operations and services cancelled on the NHS affect women, most benefit and pension changes affect women and see above ^

Banana republic - Test and trace, PPE in containers not ready for use, no pandemic planning

Etonian - most of them were educated at Eton, most are male and have received such privilege of wealth and education

Are they using is wisely? only in their favour in my opinion.

eazybee

We cannot get any worse than a bunch of scum, homophobic, racist, mysoginistic, absolute pile …of banana republic…Etonian…piece of scum.
Not blunt. Dangerous accusations to make.

Well, to be fair, some of the comments she made are correct - Boris, at least, has shown himself to be homophobic, racist and misogynistic. And he is an Etonian.

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Jane Judge, I am sorry but I do not properly understand your post.
If this is what happened to you during covid then I am truly sorry, but feel it is not appropriate to discuss it in connection with Angela Rayner.

We cannot get any worse than a bunch of scum, homophobic, racist, mysoginistic, absolute pile …of banana republic…Etonian…piece of scum.
Not blunt. Dangerous accusations to make.

JaneJudge

I don't think anyone needs elocution lessons

Sorry JanetJudge my comment was agreeing with you in that, like you, have an undesirable accent, but was also in reply to easybee's comment regarding elocution lessons.

Let’s hope that nobody throws an egg at her.?

Riverwalk

No doubt AR has achieved much, given her start in life and lack of formal education, but she now operates in a different world.

I would advise her to keep the passion but moderate the language and polish-up the grammar, because whether we like it or not these things matter.

She's in danger of becoming a female John Prescott and it won't end well.

Well said.

"Uncouth" There's an older person "chiding" a younger one. I have to say it is good to hear someone not only speaking their mind but the truth.

I dislike the standard authoritarian speak from many women which you might call assertiveness. However, it is so "holier-than-thou" and "I know best" it overreaches that word. What AR said was blunt, obviously what she thought, and as far as I can see, the truth.

Riverwalk To repeat , my reply was to Curlywhirly about how to improve a voice by elocution lessons, not Mrs. Rayner's voice.
You then said: "You may not like her accent or choice of words but she has no problem with communication."
to which I replied:
"Mrs. Rayner's problem with communication is that she has a poor understanding of appropriate language".

This definitely impedes communication and the latter part of her speech was certainly garbled with a very poor choice of words which offended a great many people and caused problems for her party leader, which may of course, have been her intention.

I don't think anyone needs elocution lessons

I have the weirdest of accents btw. I love accents, but like everyone, some my ears enjoy, others not. Some of my favourite relatives have a very clipped South African accent I don't like, but it does not stop me loving them.

Totally irrespective of AR's personality or worth, her voice grates with me- but I don't judge her for it. And I have to say I would have not used the word 'sc*m' and certainly not at Conference. But I do admire her for what she has achieved, in very difficult circumstances.

JanetJudge being a northener I also have what some (in my opinion, narrow minded) people would describe as an undesirable accent. But, there is no problem with my diction and definitely no problem with my projection, so why would anyone in the same circumstances need elocution lessons? I rather like regional accents, and I think it is sad that some people would suggest that those accents should be lost in order for people to succeed in parliament.

No doubt AR has achieved much, given her start in life and lack of formal education, but she now operates in a different world.

I would advise her to keep the passion but moderate the language and polish-up the grammar, because whether we like it or not these things matter.

She's in danger of becoming a female John Prescott and it won't end well.

Atqui

In my humble opinion , to say what she did in public , as an MP , would be
inexcusable in any accent ,dialect or whatever. Most professional people adapt their language to suit the occasion .

She did adapt her language to the occasion, she was definitely playing to the crowd at the Labour party conference.

eazybee

I did not say I disliked her voice or accent.

My reply was for Curlywhirly, who asked: Hmm, what on earth can anyone do about their voice!
Mrs. Rayner's problem with communication is that she has a poor understanding of appropriate language.

But you did say

Elocution lessons to provide clear diction and projection.

which has nothing to do with appropriate language. As I said, she has no problem with diction and projection - we all understand what she says.

Ok, eazybee. How would you have felt if your daughter in her 20s, healthy but had a a learning disability, had been given an automatic DNR by the GP surgery because of the coronavirus act passed in parliament. Would you have felt the government were right? or would you have felt they were a swearword. I know what I felt..

What she actually said - I’m going by Zoejory’s post - seems very garbled and inarticulate. Did she really use both banana republic and Etonian as insults in the same sentence? Very odd.

I have one of the less desirable accents. It is openly slated on here and absolutely everywhere, so try to imagine how many people in real life disrespect you because of your accent and then accuse you of being chippy . It's an unbelievable amount of people. I personally think it's about time we started getting angry about it, not that I do angry

I did not say I disliked her voice or accent.

My reply was for Curlywhirly, who asked: Hmm, what on earth can anyone do about their voice!
Mrs. Rayner's problem with communication is that she has a poor understanding of appropriate language.

Kali2

Agreed. And I will admit that I truly don't like her voice and accent.

Would you dare say that if she was from a different ethnic background? That last word would make it racist, wouldn't it?

Please don't think I'm accusing you of racism - I was just struck by how we openly express/justify our opinions of others of our own ethnicity based on background, education, class etc., but draw a line once race is brought into the equation.

I am genuinely interested in the overlap between such things, and actually think it is quite relevant to this thread, where someone (in this case a native English, working class northern woman) is being negatively judged on how she naturally express herself.