Uncouth Angela Rayner doing Labour no favours

Comparing that woman with Nye Bevan , pathetic ,

She shouldn't apologise until Johnson apologises for what he said about Nazanin Zaghari Ratcliffe. Anyone who can do what he did and not apologise, on their knees wearing sackcloth and ashes, deserves to be called out on it.

Keir should send her packing after refusing to apologise. She called someone a scumbag earlier in the year as well. So unprofessional!

In fairness there is no comparison between Nye Bevan and Angela Rayner though trisher. He was from a working class background, but from an early age he was an orator, he had a fantastic way with words (and of course the Welsh accent did help because it’s for whatever reason not seen by the English as ‘common’, whatever that means). He didn’t use bad language or rudeness to get the result he wanted.
I didn’t have an issue with her performance in the House of Commons at PMQ, but I think she got carried away and strayed too far into insults yesterday, and that wasn’t professional behaviour from any politician in my view.

Anniebach

Thank you theworriedwell It would be known what you mean where you live, not where I live

I no longer live in NI, I used to live in a large English city, I live in a coastal town in Devon. In context I've never known anyone not understand what it means.

In many peoples view actually Forsythia ( in spite of the false accusations of snobbery.)

When I look at some of these politicians I think to myself whether I could see them running the country, in a position of power. Try as I might, I cannot see Angela Rayner running anything but into the ground. Nothing to do with her accent either. Both my parents were Labour and I was brought up in A working class household so no accusations of snobbery please. you can be an authentic Labour politician without resorting to her behaviour and language. In my view.

She's following in a long Labour tradition of calling the Tories what they really are. Like Nye Bevan
That is why no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party that inflicted those bitter experiences on me. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin”

Thank you theworriedwell It would be known what you mean where you live, not where I live

Iam64 since I have already replied about Harold Wilson I won’t carry on with explanations.

There is a lot of twisting and turning about Rayner’s words on here, in an effort to defend her.
No matter what anyone on the forum would or wouldn’t say, either in public or in private, the fact of the matter is that she is an elected MP, who speaks in the HOC and at the Labour Conference ( and anywhere else presumably) as if she’s in the pub with her mates.

Anniebach

What does youse mean ?

As I said earlier, you = singular, youse = plural. So if I was in a coffee bar with you I might say, "What would you like." If I was with a group of friends, "What would youse like."

If you think about it most things have a plural, if you are talking to more than one person you isn't actually appropriate is it. "What would you like." when talking to two or three people, which one are you asking?

I've read that in days gone by thou was the singular and you was the plural but no one would use that now would they, language changes and evolves. None of us talk like Chaucer.

trisher

The H of C should represent the streets. That's why it is the H of COMMONS. The streets are full of the common. It's time they were permitted to speak in government.
When Joseph Cowen entered parliament in 1874 he was mocked for his broad Tyneside accent. It's time we moved on.

Hey trisher, about time we agreed on something and on this, I’m with you.

Lemongrove, apologies for mistyping your name. I’m away with intermittent WiFi and should have spell checked. Yes, I was referring to your views on Harold Wilson, his background at the possible i,pact of Oxford in knocking the edges off his Yorkshire roughness

Back to AR’s recent comments on our government. I wouldn’t express myself like that in a formal setting but I absolutely agree with her views

What does youse mean ?

eazybee

When you deliver a speech it should be in the plainest most accessible words possible.
Regional dialects are unknown to many; most of my family came from the north and I never heard it used.
I would consider 'you lot' a rude form of address in a formal speech.

Maybe I know incredibly clever people but no one I know has ever been confused when I've said youse, I think it is actually very obvious what is meant.

what does C* mean?

if exactly the same language had been used by someone (especially a man) with either a 'posh' or an 'educated' accent, the outcry would have been far, far smaller.

No, I think it would have become quite threatening.
And just to add I am not impressed by the politician, regrettably Tory, who described her speech as C***.
So many more words to choose; why sink to her level.

GrannyGravy13

eazybee

How many more times?
Accent is not choice of language.
If Mrs. Rayner posted that message on Gransnet it would be taken down as 'not in the spirit of Gransnet.'

Totally agree

Quite.

I don't like hearing anybody described as "scum" but it is a word often used by people to describe horrible people who commit horrible acts, often against vulnerable people.

I suppose it could be argued by some, me included, that this government has done some pretty awful things to vulnerable people and been involved in some pretty dodgy dealings. However, I think it is unwise, unnecessary and counter-productive to use this sort of inflammatory language. I agree with her sentiments but, because of the way in which she chose to voice them, they have picked up with glee and drowned in outrage.

eazybee

*Uncouth Angela Rayner doing Labour no favours* (299 Posts)

To go back to the original post, she is not, is she?

No, she is not.

But, and this is a big 'but, I can't help feeling that if exactly the same language had been used by someone (especially a man) with either a 'posh' or an 'educated' accent, the outcry would have been far, far smaller.
I think that deep down, the reaction has more to do with the presentation than the content!

Uncouth Angela Rayner doing Labour no favours (299 Posts)

To go back to the original post, she is not, is she?

The only time I ever heard “yous” used was by our platoon NCO in basic training, who used it constantly. She was from somewhere in the West Midlands I think.
McCluskey has defended her? To use that well known phrase “well, he would, wouldn’t he?”

Instead of saying ‘I agree’ to a post I should say ‘tidy’

eazybee

When you deliver a speech it should be in the plainest most accessible words possible.
Regional dialects are unknown to many; most of my family came from the north and I never heard it used.
I would consider 'you lot' a rude form of address in a formal speech.

I agree. Leaving out regional dialect and Latin phrases gets my vote. In that way the real message will not be lost in the ensuing discussion about language used.

PS youse is found in the Glasgow dialect.

When you deliver a speech it should be in the plainest most accessible words possible.
Regional dialects are unknown to many; most of my family came from the north and I never heard it used.
I would consider 'you lot' a rude form of address in a formal speech.

GrannyGravy13

Like I said upthread, it’s not a accent which is problematic it’s what is said.

If the cap fits.