Petrol queues reported now on BBC news

lemongrove

LincsLass well done for your post above, but really I think several of us have given up on putting the real case about petrol as some posters want to run with any scenario but the true one.

So you don't believe that there was already a problem before the media reported it?

Do you think I have lied about the fuel supply problems we noticed well over a week earlier?

LincsLass well done for your post above, but really I think several of us have given up on putting the real case about petrol as some posters want to run with any scenario but the true one.

What I did find interesting was that I saw notices on the back of some of the lorries saying’we are recruiting for more drivers’. I’m assuming that this isn’t new it’s just that I’ve had no reason to notice it till now which convinces me that it has been an ongoing problem for quite a while but has been ignored by the government.

We saw a petrol tanker on the A1 today and I said to DH ‘quick, follow it!’Mind you all the petrol stations on the A1 we’re working normally. It was only when we got back into suburbia that they were all closed.

Media hype might have aggravated this, but there were signs of problems over a week before this hit the news!

As I have said elsewhere, OH and I became aware that there was a potential problem well before it hit the news.

We were on holiday in a diesel vehicle, and kept passing filling stations that had no diesel (or only had Premium).
And having just checked put two of the filling stations in question, I am fairly sure that one was Esso, not BP. It wasn't just one day - it had no ordinary diesel for at least 5 days.

It's OK saying that there is no fuel shortage, but if the product you need isn't reaching the places where you need to purchase it, there really is no difference between a shortage and a supply issue!

Panic has not caused this problem - it is just a totally predictable result of it.

MaizieD

Inevitable, wasn't it?

Yes it was after the media spread false rumours about lack of petrol and drivers, who are licensed differently from HGV drivers.
Petrol tanker drivers have an ADR qualification as well as a HGV licence. They need this for them to drive fuel tanker lorries.
There is a shortage of HGV drivers. That's a true fact.
However, HGV drivers can't drive a petrol tanker lorry without having an ADR qualification.
The UK had ADR drivers last week. Nothing changed much in a week. Maybe some holiday or some sickness but not, I doubt a dramatic change.
The ADR drivers that were driving last week are probably driving this week delivering fuel so nothing changed much.
The petrol panic we are now experiencing is all down to media hype.
It's not because of Brexit, because all the EU drivers went back to Europe which is some of the reasons being banded about.
These EU HGV drivers left months ago, and yet the country was still getting fuel without problems up until today.

So what's changed? NOTHING !!

Apart from the disgraceful media hype and scaremongering to make news to sensationalise the fact that a couple of petrol stations were getting a late delivery so they closed temporarily.

The result of the media scaremongering!!

Massive panic and chaos by everyone which is now causing a shortage of fuel until the ADR drivers, that we already had delivering fuel a few days ago, can deliver again.
The media should be fined and penalised, severely for publicising false news and creating the crazy situation that has been going on all today. Disgusting. They should hold their heads in shame.

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Sarnia

Returning home from looking after 2 of my grandchildren this morning and with my petrol gauge teetering on red, I travelled a route which would take me past 6 petrol stations. All closed except the last one and the nearest to my home. I joined the end of a very long queue and took almost an hour to reach the pumps. When I was filling my car, the manager was refusing to let 2 men fill petrol cans. This was greeted by toots and cheers by other drivers.

My son is a senior nurse and travels almost 40 miles to work. A tank of petrol barely lasts him a week. If one of those men is in a similar position I hope people will be happy when the wards are empty.

Judging people when you don't know anything about them is petty.

The medià play a huge negative part I think as if they didn't say people are panic buying, people wouldn't know anything was up and wouldn't worry about it. It's all scare mongering. ( In my opinion ) but we are all entitled to have different views.

No Maizie D not 66 million, only the selfish, me, me swathe of the population. Nice try but fell somewhat short.

I just love your response to my earlier post to you, tickingbird

Maybe the people of Europe aren’t as stupid and selfish as those in the UK and don’t rush out panic buying and, quite literally, causing a shortage.

How many people can be insulted in one post? 66million, it seems ???

Returning home from looking after 2 of my grandchildren this morning and with my petrol gauge teetering on red, I travelled a route which would take me past 6 petrol stations. All closed except the last one and the nearest to my home. I joined the end of a very long queue and took almost an hour to reach the pumps. When I was filling my car, the manager was refusing to let 2 men fill petrol cans. This was greeted by toots and cheers by other drivers.

All the petrol stations are closed here but now people are panic buying food. Loads of lactose free products are now unavailable and out of stock except for on amazon where the prices have been inflated no flipping frozen pizzas left anywhere. If this human behaviour has been triggered by a lack of trust during the pandemic, I wouldn't be surprised.

Maybe the people of Europe aren’t as stupid and selfish as those in the UK and don’t rush out panic buying and, quite literally, causing a shortage.

GreenGran78 thank-you for your mention of me in your post
Sunday 26th. Yes I have got plenty of tinned items in stock in my home and very glad I have I brought them in the months over several lockdowns as what are people supposed to do? in fact people are saying how bare the shelves are looking in the shops again which I have also noticed. If I hear of any of my
neighbours out of some of the tinned stuff they are more than welcome to some of mine,
To get back to what this post is about then as far as I am concerned I am not one of the luckier ones that managed to get petrol and yesterday myself and neighbour went out in his car to see what is open. Right then 3 local ones closed and pumps taped over all empty One was open with a two mile tail back and all the road blocked and my neighbour said it was pointless waiting to which I agreed.
I watched Grant Shapps on TV telling people to just buy as normal and he was smirking as he talked like all the people who already know that you cannot just buy normally because many of the garages are now closed. I have a few local shops so can get there to buy my milk and bread so it is just as well I have a few supplies in. Mr Shapps would not hold himself to a reply about sending the army in with trucks for haulage preferring to say we just don't need it and people should not panic. ABSOLUTELY LAUGHABLE.

MDR Mamie.

Will be travelling to UK by train for Christmas.

Love this tweet:
"All you people moaning about petrol shortages caused by Brexit ?. I’m absolutely fine. I saw this coming ages ago and had my car converted to run on sovereignty. I get about 25 furlongs to the tugged forelock."

This has aged well, not ...

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The really dislikable Grant Shapps was suggesting that the international shortage of HGV drivers is due to Covid.

If it can be that selective ...

Oh, more fun. There could well be an actual fuel shortage in prospect
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One of Britain’s biggest oil refineries, the Stanlow oil refinery in Ellesmere Port, which supplies about a 6th of Britain’s road fuel, is “teetering on the brink of collapse, piling further potential pressure on crisis-riven petrol stations.”

mobile.twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1442033071893721089

Story is in The Times. Paywalled.

There's a shortage of HGV drivers in Europe, too, tickingbird,. They don't have food and fuel delivery shortages.

I wonder what we've got that they haven't...

There was already a shortage of HGV drivers. Stop trying to pin everything on Brexit and this government. Many people are selfish and they don’t care a jot about emergency vehicles having fuel, as long as they have plenty. Even if they don’t need it. It’s pathetic and the toilet roll scenario all over again. There is no petrol shortage!!

MaizieD

Clevedon

If the newspapers didn't blow everything out of proportion it would help!

If the idiots in the population (which appear to be in a majority) didn't put 2 and 2 together to make 40 it would also help.

I'm finding it quite amusing that many posters who utterly denied that the paper they read had any influence on their , say, vote to leave the EU, are now screaming about the media leading the panic. Are the media influential or are they not?

None of the media I listen to or read has affected my decision about when to fill my car up. However, I can understand why some might want to get in just in case - they know the govenment cannot or will not sort it out quickly.

An effective government would have been able to bread confidence. This government are so weak their only defence is attacking others - such as the RHA.

Shapps knows his weasel words will appeal to those who are happy to be fed them. As we have seen since this government took power, Johnson and the government are always late to the party. They do too little, too late and seem to live in terror that the damnable Brexit will be blamed (which would be part of the truth).

Brexit Britain.

This

I am totally aware of that MaizieD I was responding to your sweeping statement