Don’t underestimate this u-turn

Thanks Lemongrove.

The 'pinging' system that forced staff to stay home caused a lot of staff shortages. My son, who manages a 'spoons' has been run ragged - - you've no idea. ?
And if every pub was to only produce meals with 'local' food there'd be a LOT of people out of jobs. Surely there has to be both.

Kali...hate to be pedantic but the post above yours by Barmeyoldbat ( not hat) contained no mention of Spoons, that was your contribution.

Kali2
A great many food outlets across the price range operate on the plastic bag system. It started in the 80s.

It was a quote from the previous post to mine, from Barmeyoldhat - if you read the comments, you would have realised that.

I used to live next to a 'Spoons' - beautiful building indeed. Food was cheap for a reason, all bought in in plastic bags and re-heated in hot bath. And a fair comment really as the owner was a foracious Brexiter, refused to furlough and sacked all his staff, and now complaining about staff shortages. A true representative! And yes, beer supplies, and food bought in from wholesalers a long way away, will be affected. Less so for pubs that provide good food sought locally.

Kali2

''As been said before this incompetent, self serving government couldn't organise a p…s up in a brewery.'' you'd be so lucky! Perhaps when pubs run out of beer, especially 'Spoons' some quitters will take notice!

No mention of copying this from a news report Casdon

The first part of kali’s post ( in inverted commas) is from some source or other ( not mentioned) but the remark about Spoons was not, therefore her own, presumably.
If not....should say who she is quoting.

FlexibleFriend

The reason younger Hgv drivers have taken other jobs is they were sick of being underpaid, even though they could earn £50k they had to work very long shifts and put up with being treated like crap by management. Employers want to keep the drivers earnings down which is why they want foreign drivers willing to undercut our own drivers. Our own drivers who have had to pay out a fortune to acquire the required training and jump through hoops of slowly acquiring licences for ever larger vehicles. Now they want to short cut that which will no doubt lead to more accidents and they also are removing the reverse manoeuvre from the Hgv test. Never mind that it's mandatory to reverse onto a bay to unload. I really hope we don't manage to recruit drivers from other countries, it's time the road haulage association addressed the real problem. Not only are many drivers retiring those that have qualified at their own expense in the last ten years will not tolerate the way they are treated so are also leaving. We have plenty of qualified, experienced Hgv drivers but they know their worth and it's about time we appreciated them. When they address the home / work balance and not expect ridiculous shift patterns to be tolerated we will be closer to finding the solution.

I was in a local supermarket car park last week when a huge lorry arrived and struggled to manoeuvre onto the delivery ramp. Due to parking spaces being close and cars moving it was a nightmare for the poor man. Seems mad to take that out of the test.

It was a reference to an actual news report from Kali2 in fact, not snobbery Lemongrove Keep up.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58395401

kali I so admire your restraint.

Kali2

''As been said before this incompetent, self serving government couldn't organise a p…s up in a brewery.'' you'd be so lucky! Perhaps when pubs run out of beer, especially 'Spoons' some quitters will take notice!

Hmmm, snobbish remark there Kali
Not that you have to worry about Wetherspoons where you are, but they provide cheap good value food and drinks for those without a lot of funds.
Are you adding beer to your list of shortages now?

FlexibleFriend good post.

I suspect on of many u-turns yet to come will be some sort of reversal or compensation for the lose if the U/C.

I see Marcus Rashford has taken it up.

It is clear that Johnson recognises that he has lost the argument as as is usual he is using bare faced lies to justify the cut.

“We continually increase the Living Wage – last time by a record amount”

The most recent rise was in fact lowest increase in the National Living Wage since the policy was first introduced”

''As been said before this incompetent, self serving government couldn't organise a p…s up in a brewery.'' you'd be so lucky! Perhaps when pubs run out of beer, especially 'Spoons' some quitters will take notice!

The reason younger Hgv drivers have taken other jobs is they were sick of being underpaid, even though they could earn £50k they had to work very long shifts and put up with being treated like crap by management. Employers want to keep the drivers earnings down which is why they want foreign drivers willing to undercut our own drivers. Our own drivers who have had to pay out a fortune to acquire the required training and jump through hoops of slowly acquiring licences for ever larger vehicles. Now they want to short cut that which will no doubt lead to more accidents and they also are removing the reverse manoeuvre from the Hgv test. Never mind that it's mandatory to reverse onto a bay to unload. I really hope we don't manage to recruit drivers from other countries, it's time the road haulage association addressed the real problem. Not only are many drivers retiring those that have qualified at their own expense in the last ten years will not tolerate the way they are treated so are also leaving. We have plenty of qualified, experienced Hgv drivers but they know their worth and it's about time we appreciated them. When they address the home / work balance and not expect ridiculous shift patterns to be tolerated we will be closer to finding the solution.

Remember the chaos with the lorry drivers last year, huge car parks where they were all sat waiting to get home for Christmas. Do you think they will want to come over and leave their jobs Christmas Eve, I don’t hold out much hope. As been said before this incompetent, self serving government couldn't organise a p…s up in a brewery.

That’s true of unskilled as well. We were short of fruit/veg/flower pickers in 2019 as well because they were getting better deals in Germany & could see which way the Brexit winds were blowing.

I’m sure unskilled workers will be recruited, even for 3 months.
Skilled workers like truck drivers will be much more difficult, we would have to offer them a better deal than they could get in Germany.

This current fuel chaos was unpredictable but the labour shortages in the food processing sector was not. Since Brexit everyone in that industry, including farmers, has been calling for temporary visa but the government resisted, only repeating the mantra to hire local workers.

This is a bigger U-turn than HGV drivers.

Why don't they listen - I think deafened by ideology?

vegansrock

Couldn’t make it up- the temporary visas end on Christmas Eve. That’ll be popular then.

They really couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery. The problems of ideology driving decisions rather than common sense.

We have loads of building g work going on at the moment. One of our builders who I can confirm is a ‘hard worker’ (Tory TM) used to be an HGV driver. He said the wages were never enough for the stress of the job & he has been trying to encourage his mates to switch jobs as well.

I do find it slightly amusing that one of the unmentioned benefits of Brexit will be to drive wages up for people in jobs the Tory types have always looked down upon (or have society collapse). Who will pay for all that? The likes of JRM & the billions he made from leaving the EU? Not a chance.

They need to get a move in with these visas though or increasing wages as the care sector is close to collapse as well. Of course people don’t notice that in the way they notice empty shelves but it will impact all of us gradually. Already large delays in getting people out of hospital.

I tried to get a sandwich in a cafe last week. They hadn’t been serving any for about a week due to staff shortages. Think these shortages are going to pop up everywhere.

Couldn’t make it up- the temporary visas end on Christmas Eve. That’ll be popular then.

The Telegraph is reporting that pharmacies are warning of shortages of prescription medicines and over the counter products which will get worse as winter progresses.

This is an example of a business flagging what could become a major issue and now is the time for the government to step in and sort it before it inevitably becomes a crises which it surely will.

Where are the temporary visas for social care or hospital staff? Absolutely essential I would have thought.

I see poultry workers are now included in the temporary visas until Christmas Eve.

It isn’t going to work is it unless the remuneration is attractive enough, and can businesses afford that? Just how much are people prepared to pay for their meat and haulage goods?

The EU workers were covered by generic regulations and everyone knew where they were.

Now they will have no such protection, and will be kicked out after 3 months or more like 1 month once everything is put into place.

Time limiting an ongoing issues is ridiculous, and a waste of everyone’s time.