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Don’t underestimate this u-turn

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Whitewavemark2 Sat 25-Sept-21 08:16:39

NotSpaghetti

The Eastern European workers that I know well enough to have proper conversations with (all between 30 and roughly 55) say the British are lazy. One of them wished they could be lazy too as they felt guilty if they didn't give 100% and said that sometimes they feel really tired. One said "hard work is a badge of honour".

They all seem to be very diligent workers. These are the people who have been doing the jobs we don't want to.

I wonder if we were ever thought of as hard working? If so, what happened.

Have you read the book co-wrote by Raab, and Patel?

You’d like it.

MayBeMaw Sat 25-Sept-21 08:15:25

Whitewavemark2

The best compromise would be for us to remain outside of the EU club, but re-enter the single market and Customs Union.

That would take care of all the chaos including staff shortages, stock crises, price rises, help business etc.

If only!

NotSpaghetti Sat 25-Sept-21 08:13:56

The Eastern European workers that I know well enough to have proper conversations with (all between 30 and roughly 55) say the British are lazy. One of them wished they could be lazy too as they felt guilty if they didn't give 100% and said that sometimes they feel really tired. One said "hard work is a badge of honour".

They all seem to be very diligent workers. These are the people who have been doing the jobs we don't want to.

I wonder if we were ever thought of as hard working? If so, what happened.

Ladyleftfieldlover Sat 25-Sept-21 08:02:26

The ERG and their ilk will do all in their power, which I imagine is considerable, to stop anything like this happening. They will blame it all in the pandemic and refuse to accept that Brexit was always a disaster waiting to happen. Johnson will mumble and grumble and ultimately refuse to do anything concrete, because his position would be at risk.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 25-Sept-21 07:58:38

The best compromise would be for us to remain outside of the EU club, but re-enter the single market and Customs Union.

That would take care of all the chaos including staff shortages, stock crises, price rises, help business etc.

Josianne Sat 25-Sept-21 07:53:08

I often think migrants doing these jobs must privately feel pretty puzzled why the country can't find enough workers of their own. To me the emphasis needs to switch.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 25-Sept-21 07:48:44

Of course one wonders if after the disgraceful behaviour of the Home Office the migrants will say “on your bike”

Alegrias1 Sat 25-Sept-21 07:14:03

Allsorts

You have to deal with things as they evolve, you cannot pre judge every situation, so many promises made are found to have weak links somewhere, you have to adapt.

Millions of people were aware that limiting freedom of movement would result in a shortage of people to do essential jobs.

If we all knew, why didn't they?

Josianne Sat 25-Sept-21 07:10:23

Yes, wrong maybe, but they have to start making amends somewhere. A step in the right direction at least. I agree Allsorts.

Allsorts Sat 25-Sept-21 07:04:29

You have to deal with things as they evolve, you cannot pre judge every situation, so many promises made are found to have weak links somewhere, you have to adapt.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 25-Sept-21 07:00:15

Johnson is, as reported in the FT yesterday a.m. going to issue “temporary” visas for lorry drivers from Europe.

The media will play this down, but the implication of this humiliation was not lost on the cabinet who were totally split on this decision as they understood the optics of this u-turn and how it will play out in the U.K.

They know that leaving the single market has never been voted on by the British public, and a return would undoubtedly be welcomed by the vast majority. Leaving the single market never made any economic sense as can be seen by the chaos continuing to spread throughout the economy.

Holding the line was extremely important to the Brexiters and this crack is very unwelcome indeed, who argued for continued chaos rather than do something they swore would never happen again.

Rely on migrant Labour.

They were wrong and are wrong on so much more.