Does anyone here believe, as I do, that Johnson is finished (and I am sure HE does know himself)

GrannyGravy13

Dinahmo absolutely serious, that’s what the man/woman in the street is in all probability focusing on.

Not everyone is constantly considering the day to day political situation, they are considering themselves and their daily lives.

I actually meant do you really believe that everything will be back to normal by Christmas? I doubt it somehow.

GrannyGravy13

Dinahmo absolutely serious, that’s what the man/woman in the street is in all probability focusing on.

Not everyone is constantly considering the day to day political situation, they are considering themselves and their daily lives.

So wait, wait....

Joe Public is very well informed and has enough political understanding to vote away 40-odd years of political stability and advantageous trading environments.

But Joe Public will be won over by the buffoon getting him/her a turkey in time for Xmas and not worry about the political situation that made that a problem in the first place.

Dinahmo

GrannyGravy13

If he Mr.Johnson gets fuel in the filling stations, food on shelves and Turkeys on the menus for Christmas Day I would be surprised if he is going to be usurped anytime soon.

That's a very big IF. You cannot be serious.

GG13 is confirming what I said earlier in this thread. It was more or less that, if Johnson 'gets Christmas done' he'll be fine...

(though, at the moment, the indications are that he won't get it done...)

Dinahmo absolutely serious, that’s what the man/woman in the street is in all probability focusing on.

Not everyone is constantly considering the day to day political situation, they are considering themselves and their daily lives.

Mentionned the other day forecast of shortage of water purifying chemicals. I wonder how many are aware that more than 70% of our water suppliers are foreign.

That most of our energy providers are also from abroad- with more than 60% of our energy supplied from overseas?

Being an Island, as Raab discovered some time ago- also puts the UK in an isolated position, which is very easy to blocade as there are so few ports able to deal with heavy ships and tankers.

Paying people a good living wage is not impossible, (we have been doing so for 40 years)

Unfortunately people are so used to buying everything cheap, throwaway fashion, cheap food with no thought as to how it’s produced and the impact on the planet. We have to expect to pay more and in all probability consume less.

GrannyGravy13

If he Mr.Johnson gets fuel in the filling stations, food on shelves and Turkeys on the menus for Christmas Day I would be surprised if he is going to be usurped anytime soon.

That's a very big IF. You cannot be serious.

Namsnanny

M0nica

No, he will be like Cameron, seen as another shyster, who has to stoop very low to make any money because no decent company will want to be associated with him.

He's a PM M0nica that position has currency. Do you really think people in business will turn their back on that?
I dont.
Your forgetting the financial rise of T Blair.

Blair had a wife who worked, no doubt earning loads of money. Johnson doesn't.
Blair was clever with investments - property for one.
Blair is a good speaker.
Blair didn't need friends to pay for his lifestyle.
Blair still makes a lot of sense and so is no doubt welcome as a speaker (highly paid)

Indeed Dinahmo - and it has been said here on GN so many times in the past- if you are going to totally alienate your nearest neighbours, and those futher afar- and behave in a way that makes them truly distrust you and your word- make absolutely sure you don't sell all your essential utilities and services beforehand.

Because then they literally have you over that proverbial barrel (not of laugh!)

M0nica

Alegrias We are at one on Northern Ireland. My post said exactly what yours said.

We are in agreement on Gordon Brown as well, but compared with PMs/LotO that have followed, Brown was a PM beyond price, that was the point.

Gordon Brown and his chancellor, Alistair Darling rescued the UK from the disaster that was the Global Financial Crisis. A sadly underrated achievement.

Urmstongran

I just hope we don’t end up with Brexit-lite. That wasn’t what I voted for.

Did you listen to WWM's link to Michael Lambert. If you did, were you not shocked by the list of foreign owners of our utilities and rail networks. I knew about some of them but was unaware of the extent. Now I know why rail travel in Europe is cheap in comparison with that in the UK. It's subsidised by the UK.

Kandinsky

Workers from Eastern Europe didn’t have to come here at all, ever. They choose to come, & when they did they were willing to work cheaply ( company bosses dream ) UK workers were no longer willing to work long hours for crap money like migrants were, & I don’t bloody blame them.
If we’d never had freedom of movement we’d never be where we are now.
Temporary visas are a great idea until we train up our own workers & pay them a decent wage.
This country was flooded with cheap labour from abroad undercutting our own people for years.
- thankfully that’s over.

So it's the foreign workers to blame for undercutting wages. Why not blame the British employers for not paying enough?
It's much easier to blame Johnny Foreigner.

WWM2 Thank you for the link to Michael Lambert. I've only got to page 3 on this thread but I'm interested to find out whether any of the Johnson and/or Brexiteer suporters on here listened to him.

M0nica

Alegrias We are at one on Northern Ireland. My post said exactly what yours said.

We are in agreement on Gordon Brown as well, but compared with PMs/LotO that have followed, Brown was a PM beyond price, that was the point.

No, it didn't.

Tony Blair had nothing to do with negotiating the Northern Ireland Protocol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

westendgirl

Where is Johnson at the moment ? Back in his fridge ?

You’re right.
Where are any on of them?
What’s going on?

Where is Johnson at the moment ? Back in his fridge ?

Fair enough M0nica, but Tony Blair didn't negotiate the Northern Ireland Protocol, While you said he did.

There's enough misinformation around the Brexit agreement without making it worse

Alegrias We are at one on Northern Ireland. My post said exactly what yours said.

We are in agreement on Gordon Brown as well, but compared with PMs/LotO that have followed, Brown was a PM beyond price, that was the point.

Tue 28-Sep-21 09:26:48
Listen very carefully, I will say this only once

Listen very carefully, I will say this only once.

The Northern Ireland Protocol has nothing to do with the Good Friday Agreement.

The Northern Ireland Protocol was negotiated in 2019.

In addition, Gordon Brown is about as stateman-like as a rice pudding. He couldn't even be bothered turning up in time for Lisbon.

Racingsparrow The whole point is that Teresa May did not get a deal - that is why she resigned. Anyway the devil is in the detail, and Boris is not a details man. It is not the broad headline policies he cocked up, but he was prepared to sell Britain cheap including fudging the details (like Northern Ireland) so everything sounded good, hence the vote in Parliament, but once it was through the wheels began to come off, because they were not properly fixed.

What has Tony Blair negotiating the Northern Ireland Protocol got to do with it? That happened years ago, before Brexit was more than a mote in Nigel Farage's eye. It has worked very well and formed part of the Good Friday Agreement, which was not perfect, which was admitted and known at the time, but did end most of the sectarian violence in Ireland.

I quite agree our PMs and Leaders of the opposition for last 15 years have been the scrapings at the bottom of the barrel. The last PM with any credentials for statesmanship was Gordon Brown - and he was, sadly, not a success.

Alegrias1

Lincslass

growstuff

Racingsparrow

You seem to forget that the position that Boris inherited in the Brexit negotiations was the deal agreed to by Teresa May and her ministers. This deal was approved by a large majority in parliament. No politicians of the last ten years and more can be said to have been competent. It was Tony Blair’s government who negotiated the Northern Ireland protocol.

No, it wasn't. You're getting confused.

Think you’ll find he did, Major started Blair finished.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2007/may/11/tonyblair.labour4

This level of knowledge of politics is the reason were in this mess today. ?

Reading comprehension skills might have some bearing too.

PS. Blair had absolutely nothing to do with the Northern Ireland Protocol. I suspect you mean the Good Friday Agreement.

Lincslass

What on earth have 17-23 year olds got to do with the poll?

Lincslass

growstuff

Racingsparrow

You seem to forget that the position that Boris inherited in the Brexit negotiations was the deal agreed to by Teresa May and her ministers. This deal was approved by a large majority in parliament. No politicians of the last ten years and more can be said to have been competent. It was Tony Blair’s government who negotiated the Northern Ireland protocol.

No, it wasn't. You're getting confused.

Think you’ll find he did, Major started Blair finished.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2007/may/11/tonyblair.labour4

This level of knowledge of politics is the reason were in this mess today. ?