Does anyone here believe, as I do, that Johnson is finished (and I am sure HE does know himself)

Sorry Urmstongran, but ultimately ‘Brexit-lite’’ is exactly what’s going to happen unless the British public is content to live a very difficult life for the next 10 years. I don’t think they are content with that.

lemongrove

Sorry to mention him ( cardinal sin on the forum these days)
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And tbh it wasn’t the Russian oligarchs, but Putin and pals.

The Russian oligarchs weren't funding the Labour party, lemon.

Corbyn wasn't ditching his minders to go to parties in Italy. courtesy Lebdev , son of a former KGB officer,(who he has now made a peer)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evgeny_Lebedev

It wasn't a LP 'adviser'close to Johnson, who spent 3 unexplained years in Russia ostensibly running a failed airline company... Cummings

Really, your obsession with Labour and the Russians is desperately out of date.

I would be glad to see the back of him but there doesn't seem to be anybody of any intellect or integrity to replace him.

The problem with fraternising with Russian oligarchs is that most of them owe their wealth to Putin.

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True, it’s twenty years or more since Corbyn was around.
Still, who can forget his memorable excuses for Russia in Parliament about the Salisbury poisonings.
The UK had a great escape from him in number ten.

Brexit lite should have been the target from the word go. The problem was that a small minority shouted the loudest and longest with the occasional backing of the press.

We should have left the club but remained in the SM and CU.

Urmstongran

I just hope we don’t end up with Brexit-lite. That wasn’t what I voted for.

It may have been what others voted for though Urmstongran.* Those who didn't vote are usually, in democratic countries, assumed to be okay with it how it is (that's why those voting for change usually has to have much more than 50%). So, as there was no democratic vote to leave I don't know why you would expect it to be what is the worst sort of "leave" in most people's view.

It is already apparent that we have to find a proper relationship with the EU and that only those who hark back to the past want anything else. Moving forward has to include our biggest and nearest market. Move on Urmstongran, as most on both sides have long done. We have already seen that we need to have many of the things we threw away so we can have food in the shops. I do not see any sort of "improvement" that justifies having put us in that position.

Boris will, of course, chop and change to suit the polls. It seems the extraordinary (not ordinary) working person is pushing him to do what he has never shown any wish to do. Long may it last.

It’s inevitable though Whitewavemark. When Johnson goes, which he will, despite the protests from his loyal supporters on here, I’m convinced it will be a centre right replacement who will be much more in the Teresa May political camp (ie has a grasp on reality). Compromise by the UK on trade issues is the only way forward.

lemongrove

MaizieD

M0nica

The Russian Oligarchs that he (George Osborne) is so pally with.

Johnson is in up to his neck (if not higher) with the
Russian Oligarchs. I can't see him dropping them. On the other hand, I can see them dropping him if he ceases to be their useful fool...

Surely their useful fool was Jeremy Corbyn.

Of course he wasn't. He may have been many things but that was just a rumour put out by the light of real knowledge and picked up by those who should have known better.

Urmstongran

I just hope we don’t end up with Brexit-lite. That wasn’t what I voted for.

I think we will, which would please me.

It's crazy to separate ourselves from the world's largest trading block, which just happens to be right on our doorstep.

Brexit lite. That would be the deal that Michel Barnier wants for France but refused us when negotiating for the eu.

Britain is too weak economically to survive outside the single market. May and cabinet knew that - so yes MerylStreep that’s where we will be.

lemongrove

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True, it’s twenty years or more since Corbyn was around.
Still, who can forget his memorable excuses for Russia in Parliament about the Salisbury poisonings.
The UK had a great escape from him in number ten.

Because things are going swimmingly with the alternative aren't they? No petrol, food shortages, selling off contracts to friends and family with no experience in those areas/providing failing services, utility companies going under.

I don't think it is too weak to survive Casdon but survival would be a lot more pleasant if we worked in "common" with our neighbours.

No. Thought he was a clown when he got the job. That is his 'disguise' and the press support him perpetuating it. He's really savvy and achieving much of what he wants (don't confuse that with what he says or what the party policy is). And as for the women and children - does he make anyone do other than they want?

Survive was the wrong word PippaZ, you’re right. I meant thrive, which is what was sold as the benefit of Brexit. There’s no indication that we can thrive alone.

I was thinking a swap with the clown we have here might be good - but on second thoughts, maybe not. What is it with these politicians today ? Beyond a joke.

Casdon

Survive was the wrong word PippaZ, you’re right. I meant thrive, which is what was sold as the benefit of Brexit. There’s no indication that we can thrive alone.

I'm with you that thriving as we have will take a long time, if indeed we can get there at all using the rules some want.

Back to Boris. I felt he looked like a "little man" in personality while in the USA. However, he can do what many of his class has always tried to do and fool some of the most precarious in our society, sadly.

I think there will be a point of breakthrough - not from the nouveau middle incomes I thinkwould guess, but from those he will damage who have no wriggle room for that damage.

When they realise what he will do to them they will leave him as quickly as they turned to follow him. Much as people on here often chose to despise those who go through difficult financial times (obviously that would never happen to them ), those people do have a vote.

I will honestly admit that it has taken longer than I expected. Perhaps Covid has something to do with it.

But I am quite confident to predict that when it happens, it will happen very quickly. When he has become enough of an embarrasment and gets in the way, they will stab him in the back without any hesitation.

Maizie the difference between Osborne and Johnson is that Osborne will know when to make quiet excuses and drift out of the door. Johnson won't

No I think a lot will want him to stay but I think he will want to go. He's hardly had much time with Winfred I can't imagine. The late updates and early neetings.
The accountability alone would frighten the life out of me . With Brexit and a pandemic, he has for sure earnt his money and how he hasn't had an anxiety heart attack is beyond me. Your never please all the people all the time and I like the fella .
How on earth people can say they'd have done better in a pandemic, ( rolls eyes ) . He did the best he could with what information he got given and he doesn't make the final decisions, he has advisories.
I'm not in to politics to be honest and don't understand them but yup I think he'll want to go but will stay . Poor sod

Kali2

I will honestly admit that it has taken longer than I expected. Perhaps Covid has something to do with it.

But I am quite confident to predict that when it happens, it will happen very quickly. When he has become enough of an embarrasment and gets in the way, they will stab him in the back without any hesitation.

You don’t need a crystal ball to predict that.
The Conservative party have always been ruthless when they realise their leader is a looser.
They are very clever in that respect unlike Labour &Liberals.

Whitewavemark2

Brexit lite should have been the target from the word go. The problem was that a small minority shouted the loudest and longest with the occasional backing of the press.

We should have left the club but remained in the SM and CU.

Remember clearly when Hannan said loudly 'no-one but no-one is even thinking of leaving the single market and the Customs Union' - during the campaign. And the current Lord Frost, who at the time was Head of the Whisky Distillers Association and explained very clearly that being part of the EU was esential for our exports.

MerylStreep

Kali2

I will honestly admit that it has taken longer than I expected. Perhaps Covid has something to do with it.

But I am quite confident to predict that when it happens, it will happen very quickly. When he has become enough of an embarrasment and gets in the way, they will stab him in the back without any hesitation.

You don’t need a crystal ball to predict that.
The Conservative party have always been ruthless when they realise their leader is a looser.
They are very clever in that respect unlike Labour &Liberals.

And yet, you seem to be the only one here on the Brexit side who agrees. It will be quick, and nasty- and won't be long either.